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Once , I shipped a box to Sabre up in Canada.
I tracked it to customs. That's as far as tracking goes. From what I understand, is customs has to open box foran inspection then send it on its way.
Well one of the agents must be a mopar owner, when Sabre got the package it was an empty box ! I don't remember getting insurance refund for that one.
 
The post office is good on paying insurance.

That depends on luck o' the draw.

In 2017 I sold a camshaft, valve springs, valve stem seals, and lifters to a guy in Finland. It worked out most economical to send the small parts and the cam in separate boxes. All documents were completed correctly and they, along with the address labels, were machine-printed for legibility. These were send via Priority Mail Express International. The small parts arrived in Finland in 7 days. The camshaft disappeared. Post office did their trace and found it had been sent to Ghana (um, because yeah, Ghana…Finland…easy mistake). They said they had to wait for the Ghanaian postal authority to do their own investigation. For some strange reason, they never heard back—probably because the Ghanaian postal authority's investigators are make-believe.

Okeh, fine, somewhere in Ghana somebody's using a custom-ground Slant-6 camshaft as a cricket bat or something.

So USPS sent me their forms № 2855 (insurance claim) and 3533 (postage refund) with instructions to take them to my local post office where the insurance form would be accepted and sent in for processing, and the refund would be issued on the spot.

That's not what happened, though. The counter clerk told me to meet the supervisor at the package pickup, a dutch door (bottom and top halves open separately). The manager came and opened the top half, and I presented the forms. He said "What are these?" I briefly explained. He said "There's no such thing as a postage refund. Postage is never refunded under any circumstances."

I said "Will you please read the letter from USPS? It's right there in the first paragraph." He looked at the letter and said "It doesn't say postage refund." I said "Please look at the first paragraph, it says 'file a request for a postage refund by completing the enclosed Form 3533, Application for Refund, which can be used to request disbursement for Priority Mail Express International refunds. This form must be submitted at your local post office.'" He said "The form itself doesn't say postage refund, it says 'application for refund of fees, products, and withdrawal of customer accounts'. We don't refund postage. Ever. If you bought insurance on your package, you can file a claim and you might get some money for the lost item, but we don't refund postage" and he tried to close the door in my face. My arm on the door ledge stopped him.

I said (without raising my voice) "Sir, for god's sake, please read the letter, it's right there in black and white." He responded by threatening to call the cops and have them haul me away for causing a disturbance. I said "We both know I'm not causing a disturbance. Since you won't honor the form, may I please know your name?" He said "No, you're not getting my name. Get your arm off the door ledge or I'm calling the police and having you banned from this post office. We're done here." I said "Sir, no, we really aren't. If you haven't encountered this form before, that's fine, but it is a USPS form, and it's got a USPS cover letter, and I'd like you to please check with whoever you need to check with about it."

He said "I never heard of it. My head clerk never heard of it. Are you slow? How many times do I have to tell you? WE DO NOT REFUND POSTAGE EVER. Now, is that clear, or do I need to make sure your insurance claim never gets processed?"

Dude's unhinged. I said "You're ordering me to leave, I'll leave, but I do need your name, please." He said "Dave." I said "Dave…?" He laughed and said "You're not gettin' my last name. Get your arm off the door ledge NOW." I said "I don't need your last name, how about your employee number?" He laughed again and said "Boy, you must really want me to call the cops and have you dragged outta here in handcuffs. NO, YOU CANNOT HAVE MY EMPLOYEE NUMBER!" and slammed the door.

I drove to a post office in the next ZIP code and they processed the forms and handed me the postage refund in about three minutes. Amazingly, the forms were really actually real things that really exist and mean what they say after all!

I wasn't done. I called the USPS International Research Group who had sent me the insurance and refund forms, told them what happened at the first post office, and the IRG clerk said she'd have a supervisor call that post office and then get back to me.

No getback was forthcoming, so I called IRG again. Clerk said he didn't know anything about a supervisor calling local post offices, but that I should contact the Consumer Affairs office. So I did, gave a description of events, and they said someone would call me back.

Couple hours later I got a callback: the station manager at the post office where supervisor Dave threatened me would be happy to meet with me there at 2pm to get it all taken care of.

Station manager turned out to be a cool lady with long hair, ink, and rings everywhere. And me with my tusk, we're getting somewhere already. Went in her office and had a really excellent talk with lots of smiling and laughing. She apologized right off the bat for Dave's tantrum; I thanked her and told her I was sorry she was put in the position of having to apologize for someone else's behaviour, which is never any fun.

She said, just the day before she'd seen and heard Dave mistreating another customer and had to step in, order Dave away from the counter, and help the customer herself. "Wow," I said. "I mean, I guess he must've been having a really bad day, and I don't usually wish that on anyone, but at the same time…!". She said "Nnnno, he wasn't having a bad day. His people skills are…well…".

I said "Oh. Well, I'm thinking maybe not so much with the customer contact for Dave." She said "I'm thinking maybe not so much with the Dave."

She told me it was her second day at that post office, so cross our fingers that her administrative permissions were up and working, took my insurance form and me back out to the service desk and had the clerk enter the info and prep the money order, then typed in her auth code, stepped back and crossed her fingers. Code accepted, money order issued: bling, blong.

I had another cam ground, sent it, and it arrived in Finland in 7 days. Nine months later, the first camshaft landed on my own doorstep in fine condition with no explanation.

Now, I ship a lot of boxes every year. And even despite a story like this one once in awhile, overall I've still had a whole lot better results with the US Postal Service than with FedUPS. I am pretty sure the only honest thing about UPS is that ѕhit-brown colour on their trucks and logos, kind of a truth-in-advertising thing.
 
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My area used to have a local postal delivery driver that didn't give a hoot. I ordered a special slant six intake/exhaust gasket. It came in a heavy cardboard package. The package was marked in big red stamped letters in 2 places on the top and 2 places on the bottom "DO NOT BEND". Delivery driver folded it in half to fit it into my mail box. Took it to the post office, and the counter person said " I don't see where it is insured". yech.
 
"I don't need your last name, how about your employee number?"
I worked at the USPS for several years. I was never given an employee number. At least not one that wasn't tied to payroll, and unless I logged into LiteBlue, I couldn't tell you what that was.
Having said that, it's sounds like you got a hold of a typical 204b supervisor. The only words they know is "No" and "be back in eight". I never met one that wasn't an asshole.
"DO NOT BEND". Delivery driver folded it in half to fit it into my mail box.
Words like "Do not bend, do not fold, fragile" or any other special instruction will not be honored. That is special handling, and unless paid for, those words are meaningless.
If the shipper doesn't want something folded, like a gasket, then they need to pack it in a way that it cannot be folded.

I know this is going to cause a lot howling, but you guys need to understand something. You may have paid someone to ship something to your home, but you are not the USPS customer in these cases. The shipper is the customer, and the cost of shipping is from one post office to another post office. Delivery to your home is done a courtesy and is free. (Some of you may remember when RFD was a common term)
There are no laws that entitle you to mail delivery to your house. If there were, then PO Boxes and neighborhood cluster boxes couldn't exist.

Watch this video, this is just letters, imagine how packages are sorted.
 
I found my dads lost guitar online a couple years ago and bought it back after 35yrs missing...
They Shipped it USPS, Saddest GottDamned Thing I ever saw when it showed up all busted-up.
You are very fortunate to have found his guitar, about 35-ish years ago as well, some POS stole a 1931 Cromwell acoustic guitar my grandfather left me when he passed away, the only thing I had of his. I have a feeling it went to Florida because the suspect I had in mind moved immediately to Florida where his father lived.
Its unfortunate that yours showed up all busted, but take it to a good luthier, you'd be amazed at what can be fixed :)
 
I ONLY ship by Fedex anymore. They aren't cheap, but I have never had a problem. Plus, if you look online to get an estimate, what you pay at the Fedex store is within a few pennies of that. When I look online to get an estimate from UPS, the amount they ask for is always at least 20-25% more than the online. They have even told me that I can't trust their online estimates.
 
I've been buying, selling, shipping 25 plus years.. It all boils down to how the person packs it on whether it will survive or not, pack it for the worst and hope for the best. Carrier only plays in when items are lost or longer shipping times. You really get what you pay for, that still doesn't take out the responsibility of the seller/shipper to protect the item in transit. I got a smoking hot deal on parts paid for them just before Christmas seller shipped right after Christmas, I came back after holiday to find the DipSh!ts at the UPS store put my parts label on a box of shoes and my parts are now lost with 0 idea as to who has them. It's not a carrier damaged claim issue at that point as parts were miss-shipped.
 
Words like "Do not bend, do not fold, fragile" or any other special instruction will not be honored. That is special handling, and unless paid for, those words are meaningless.
If the shipper doesn't want something folded, like a gasket, then they need to pack it in a way that it cannot be folded.
Common customer courtesy would dictate to not fold a item in half to fit it into the mailbox. (which is two streets from my house). If I receive a box that is too large to fit, it is delivered to my house and left on the porch.
 
I'm part of that problem. We used to use flat rate boxes to ship giant blocks of steel and stuff. There for awhile, it was awesome. Then they put weight limits on the boxes.

I mailed the missus a card on 12/28/24 from Tennessee when I was there for work. We're near KC. She just got it yesterday. 27 days, for a card.
 
We've all had issues with most shipping companies but one thing I can say is that when shipping to an APO (Army Post Office) address the USPS certainly handles it with speed and care. It took 7 days for a care package from Wisconsin to the Middle East last week
 
fedUP (Fed ex) no thanks
I have more problems receiving products shipped by them than anyone else. I definitely receive more than I ship. Them and their delivery confirmation has caused me more problems than I can shake a stick at. They tell me they hold these packages over an hour away for 7 days and then send them back to sender. So I have to drive 2 hours to retrieve a package of I can't personally be there to sign. Can't have them go next door and drop it there where the neighbor is never "not" there .. fedUP says it's the sender who requested it... The senders say it's fedUP's fault/rules.... Any time I buy anything I request to not receive them fedUP.
 
Cost wise the ups store takes the cake. They go out of their way to be the most costly way to ship.
We have a regular ups Depot at the other side of town and they are always cheaper than the ups store to ship. Sometimes by as much as half
 
Just curious, I have no recent experience with this, last intake I shipped was a handful of years ago/but what's the approximate going rate for an aluminum small block dual plane intake (think Performer size/height... not air gap style) going approximately 2/3 of the way across the lower 48?
 
I have a FedEx account. I haven’t used it for a couple of years because they screwed me over. I sent a part to Washington State. The quote was $65.00 usd. They charged my credit card for the freight and the part went on its merry way. The end of the month when I get my statement I see they charged me $115.00 usd. I couldn’t get an answer from the store so they gave me the 1-800 number. I phoned that number and they told me that it the workers best guess as to what it costs not really a set in stone price. So I said that’s a pretty lousy way to do business. I asked for a refund. Not a chance that ever happens. So I told them to cancel my account. They wouldn’t. Luckily my credit card expired a few months later. Now the send an email requesting my new card. I just ignore them. To me them and my account are dead weight. Kim
 
Just curious, I have no recent experience with this, last intake I shipped was a handful of years ago/but what's the approximate going rate for an aluminum small block dual plane intake (think Performer size/height... not air gap style) going approximately 2/3 of the way across the lower 48?
i shipped a 440 performer via UPS from LA to michigan in mid october for 31 bucks.
 
Common customer courtesy would dictate to not fold a item in half to fit it into the mailbox. (which is two streets from my house). If I receive a box that is too large to fit, it is delivered to my house and left on the porch.
Normally, you would be right. The problem is they (USPS management) will overburden the mail routes. this effectively turns an 8 hour route into a 10 hour route. Then they threaten the carriers with discipline if they don't get back in within the eight hours. This causes carriers to rush thru and do what they got to do. That means folding something that says do not fold. It's encouraged by postal management.
When I left, they were wanting us to not take packages to the door. They wanted us to leave a notice to pick up oversize packages at the post office.
 
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I have a FedEx account. I haven’t used it for a couple of years because they screwed me over. I sent a part to Washington State. The quote was $65.00 usd. They charged my credit card for the freight and the part went on its merry way. The end of the month when I get my statement I see they charged me $115.00 usd. I couldn’t get an answer from the store so they gave me the 1-800 number. I phoned that number and they told me that it the workers best guess as to what it costs not really a set in stone price. So I said that’s a pretty lousy way to do business. I asked for a refund. Not a chance that ever happens. So I told them to cancel my account. They wouldn’t. Luckily my credit card expired a few months later. Now the send an email requesting my new card. I just ignore them. To me them and my account are dead weight. Kim
The assholes at Fedex done that to me as well and it was on lots of packages. I have known the local Fedex ground people for over 30 years and they said they never use an account to ship their stuff, and they work for Fedex.
Now when I send Fedex I do not use my account but just pay at the counter and they will not be able to up the price later.

I actually had a upcharge from Pirate ship last month and they claimed UPS uped the original cost and it was over double the cost.
 
The assholes done that to me as well and it was on lots of packages.
Now when I send Fedex I do not use my account but just pay at the counter and they will not be able to up the price later.

I actually had a upcharge from Pirate ship last month and they claimed UPS uped the original cost and it was over double the cost.
I asked what would happen if I didn’t have a credit card attached to my account they said they would charge the recipient.
 
I asked what would happen if I didn’t have a credit card attached to my account they said they would charge the recipient.
Never heard of that before. C.O.D is long gone.

Now Canada has a different set of rules and I have been hit with upcharges on taxes when shipping there.
 
i shipped a 440 performer via UPS from LA to michigan in mid october for 31 bucks.
Not blaming the seller here at all but as a courtesy he sent me a copy of the receipt showing it was shipped (ups store again) and the one I have coming was charged right at double that. I get convenience, and not having time to shop around, but yours was ups, mine is coming ups but double? C'mon.... And I'm a little short of Michigan.... I sent an aluminum weiand for a small block from Illinois to Michigan I'm guessing 3-4 years ago and $30-ish sounds like about what that one cost about what you stated but again that wasn't yesterday....
Are the ups stores company owned or franchised?
The last time I tried a ups store this past summer they wanted $74 to ship some trim pieces for a camper. That was more than what I sold the parts for. I went a mile away to the PO and asked them and it was $26.... Helluva difference. I wasn't paying (or making the buyer pay);$14 more to ship than I was getting for the parts.... That would have definitely killed the deal.
As quoted shipping has done for lots of stuff I've wanted to get.
 
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