My sister is a Grateful Dead fan, and they don't change the bulbs. Once they burn out they just keep watching them....
Shop wiring advice?
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I have a friend help me change the bulb, she just holds the bulb and I drink enough to make the room spin.
Years ago I had a blonde GF that couldn't change lightbulbs....
She kept burning her fingers.
True light bulb story . And by the way my wife is Polish. I have three kids 1 boy and 2 girls. When they were young we went looking for a family SUV. We took a Jeep for a ride. The interior light was on and I thought one of the doors was open. so I pulled over.
I had everyone open and close their doors. Lights still on. I got out and opened the hatch and closed it . Still on. I said to my wife There something electrically wrong, We don't want it. My oldest daughter Desiree age 11 now a registered Nurse says. Dad maybe the light bulb is burned out.
The wife says have them change the bulb. The youngest Brandy age 7, who now works at Steve's shop says. Desiree If the bulb was burned out it wouldn't be on. Desiree says maybe its burned out on. Brandi says to me, Dad how can two people be that dumb. Steve age 15 and I could not stop laughing.
And that does not compare to the Rabbit coup my wife and father in-law put legs that on they were so proud of.
I had everyone open and close their doors. Lights still on. I got out and opened the hatch and closed it . Still on. I said to my wife There something electrically wrong, We don't want it. My oldest daughter Desiree age 11 now a registered Nurse says. Dad maybe the light bulb is burned out.
The wife says have them change the bulb. The youngest Brandy age 7, who now works at Steve's shop says. Desiree If the bulb was burned out it wouldn't be on. Desiree says maybe its burned out on. Brandi says to me, Dad how can two people be that dumb. Steve age 15 and I could not stop laughing.
And that does not compare to the Rabbit coup my wife and father in-law put legs that on they were so proud of.
That's the kind of story that needs to be remembered through the years, and brought up at weddings, birthdays, family reunions and the like.
Thanks!
jeff alder
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100 Amps should be plenty Jim. People seem to fail to realize that is full load amperage. You would have to be running a welder, all your lighting, 3 or 4 air compressors and a couple of hand grinders all at the same time to breach that load. For a one man shop 100 is plenty. I personally don't like the exposed conduit and receptacles probably just because it is part of my trade but also because they collect dust and dirt and are the source of painting defects even if you are just rattle canning. Outlets are cheap. We laid out our shop with a drawing of where everything was going to sit and wired it as such...and added 4 more boxes just because and a couple right by the overhead doors so cords could easily be run outside. Also one by the man door for the same reason.
I sincerely doubt that my needs would ever surpass 100 FLA, but I guess my thoughts on upgrading was for the next owner. Why? If it needs to be done, now would be the time....
Anyway, "a funny thing happened (on the way to the forum)" today that's got me wondering about my neighbors. Seems the County Assessor came out this morning and asked my wife questions about the house, the property, and more specifically (according to my wife), the "shep". Amongst other things she said he asked if it had power (A: Yes, it does), and if it was insulated and/or heated (my wife responded "no" to both). He told her it was a "routine thing", and that the County does this every 5 years or so.
And I get that. But here's the kicker: She watched him drive away, and as far as she could tell, he didn't go to any of the neighbor's places.
So now I'm torn between feeling lucky that I'm back at work (and thus the overhead door to the "shep" was closed!), to wondering about my neighbor's (who seem to be really understanding about the upgrades I've done/am doing to the place), to wondering what's going to happen in 5 years when the Assessor comes back out and sees the A/C condenser sitting out there....
Anyway, thanks for the input, Jeff!
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jeff alder
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He was probably assessing your new building for next year's tax increase he is going to dump on you. If your neighbors had new buildings going up he would have stopped there too. I wouldn't be surprised if one of your neighbors called to make sure you were being taxed. I have a neighbor that filed complaints because my car collection annoyed him. Our mayor is cool so he just openly divulged that information to me. I ran into the guy and asked him what his concern was about my small car collection. First, he denied it then after I informed him the mayor believed in the freedom of information act...he said he didn't like the cars sitting in his neighborhood and it drove the property values down. So I informed him the last 3 houses in the neighborhood bid over the listed asking price, it was none of his freaking business and pointed out his son had 2 or 3 old Chevrolet's sitting at his property. He wasn't thrilled so I told him to mind his own business go talk to his son about his cars, at least be a man an admit you filed a complaint and not be a little ***** and lie about it and F$$K off. He nor his wife ever wave at us.
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The "outbuilding" (as the Realtor put it) was existing when we bought the place 3 years ago, and here's a picture I downloaded off the original MLS listing back then:
I think the Plot (something) on-file with the County lists the building as well, so they shouldn't think it's new...
But we are, relatively speaking...
(I just noticed the vent pipe sticking out the side of the building for the first time, and I guess that explains the lousy patch job they did on that section.)
jeff alder
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That's a great pic. That's a sharp building nestled back in the timber. The Plat map is just a guideline for what they know or think is there. They can raise your taxes on what's inside as well.
Mopar Momzee
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My shop is all t-11 easy to remove and add/repair. I planned everything for about a year taking everything into account. Paint booth wiring , air compressor location all my 50 amp welding locations to mezzanine outlets location, ceiling fans, out door lights, 3 way switches from both doors.
Ceiling fans are a must plus I have bright lights under the mezzanine for that meticulous work. I made my shop modular easy to add and remove electrical.
Ceiling fans are a must plus I have bright lights under the mezzanine for that meticulous work. I made my shop modular easy to add and remove electrical.
jeff alder
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That is a beautiful shop! It looks like you have a pretty good concrete contractor/finisher in your neck of the woods. Nice loft!
Starting same type of conversion.
EMT yes! Would not have thought of that.
Thanks all.
EMT yes! Would not have thought of that.
Thanks all.
That's a beautiful shop! You are a fortunate man.
MDchanic
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Another thing you may wish to consider regarding wiring, which may be controversial, which I started doing, and intend to continue as I slowly build the interior, is to use low-voltage controls for your lighting.
I was able to score a whole box of GE RR-2 (I think) relays, about 20 or 30 of them, for a couple of bucks a piece on eBay a few years ago.
With those, you can use any low-voltage wiring (like Cat-5e) that you scrounge to put any number of switches anywhere you want them. Considering the long runs you encounter in large outbuildings and the cost of copper these days, this can save you a lot of money on Romex (or NM, or whatever you want to call it). And you can use the original-type GE switches, or any other switch you want to buy on Amazon, including waterproof switches if you want to have a light switch outside.
I happened across an original 8-switch panel, so I have a whole bunch of different lights controlled there from a main door. Very convenient.
edit: And for those who are into all that Raspberry Pi stuff, once you have low-voltage controls, you can computerize whatever you want.
– Eric
I was able to score a whole box of GE RR-2 (I think) relays, about 20 or 30 of them, for a couple of bucks a piece on eBay a few years ago.
With those, you can use any low-voltage wiring (like Cat-5e) that you scrounge to put any number of switches anywhere you want them. Considering the long runs you encounter in large outbuildings and the cost of copper these days, this can save you a lot of money on Romex (or NM, or whatever you want to call it). And you can use the original-type GE switches, or any other switch you want to buy on Amazon, including waterproof switches if you want to have a light switch outside.
I happened across an original 8-switch panel, so I have a whole bunch of different lights controlled there from a main door. Very convenient.
edit: And for those who are into all that Raspberry Pi stuff, once you have low-voltage controls, you can computerize whatever you want.
– Eric
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Datsun78
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Put an outlet 4 ft off floor in front of where ever a car may be parked. All outlets 4 ft off floor, so no bending over to use.
John Trickler
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I ran mine int the wall, I have double recepts every 8', 4' off the floor. Sometimes I wish I had more. My airline is simple, used the blue flexible kit from Northern Tool, ran it up and across the ceiling with 2-50' hoses at each end of my 40' bldg. Wish I had done LED's, but they were still expensive when I built mine, so I have lots of fluorescen lites. My 2 cents worth.
MILO
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I built our garage first so to have full power then have a 100 amp breaker ran to the house 120 feet away and so far no problems. Garage wiring is in conduit with leads running down to plenty of receptacles and 2 220 receptacles with room to add more if needed Also light switches at one entrance door mostly used
scudzuki
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I staggered the wall outlets between circuits to spread out the load.
I plumbed my air lines in copper, soldered together each "wall" on the floor and assembled the parts with sharkbites in the corners.
I ran 2x6s horizontally between studs in 2 locations to form boxes for in wall speakers and stuffed them with polyfill, then ran the speakerwires to a common shelf for stereo equipment.
GTXDAN
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Here's something you might consider for internet. A wireless internet bridge. I have a metal building about 75" from the house that I built about 25 yrs ago. No radio or cell phone reception inside either. No internet here at that time so no wiring for it. Got this from Amzon for only about $60. I have it hooked to a wireless router in the building and the internet in it is as good as in the house with very little wiring. Just a cat 5 cable going to the antennae outside. This has a range of 1K, and if you need more there are ones that will transmit for several miles for a bigger price. The outside ant is about 3x6x1.5.You know…..If I was still a Vikings fan, I might have been offended there!
But I’m not (a fan), and I wasn’t (offended). Plus, I have to consider the source, and where said source lives (ya cheesehead)!
The building is only 24 x 42, with 10 foot ceilings, so no possibility of ever having a loft. As for lights, I'm laying them out right now on some graph paper, and I think I’ve got a nice mix of 8’ lights, 4 footers, and some task lights over the bench. All will be LED.
Funny you should mention the Faraday cage, as that’s exactly what I have here, and I can’t pull an FM station in here for “crap”! Fortunately I’m going to bury some Cat-5 (or is it Cat-6 now?) cable for internet when I have the gas line installed, and I have a 30’ pole with another 10’ stick of EMT to mount an old Fanfare FM-2G antenna onto. Hopefully I’ll be able to at least pick up some of the stations in The Cities…
As for heat, I’m a commercial HVAC guy, so this little pole barn is getting a furnace, A/C, and an air-air heat exchanger. (Hell! It’s probably tighter than the house!)
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harvenator
A fish called Wanda
Outlets above table height so they're not hidden. You should have a dedicated circuit for your compressor and if you need HVAC.. maybe a circuit for a system.
Can't have too much light either.
"Maybe it's burnt out on" is reasonable for someone ignorant of what happens to a bulb when it burns out. Failed in the on position.Trying to give her some credit. Lots of credit for being a nurse - one of the few jobs where you can't fake it. That and being a cook....
Yeah, Chinese LEDS....the Gnome Dropout (home deepo) 4 ft LEDs Igot 5 years ago are Vietnamese (and work still). Could not find any closer to home. At least Vietnam isn't trying to destroy the US in various subtle ways.
Yeah, Chinese LEDS....the Gnome Dropout (home deepo) 4 ft LEDs Igot 5 years ago are Vietnamese (and work still). Could not find any closer to home. At least Vietnam isn't trying to destroy the US in various subtle ways.
MDchanic
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