Smart Meters?

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Where I live, water and elec meters are both remote read. On a side note, if your electricity is turned off for whatever reason, you can get by, even for extended periods. But try going without water for a day. Personally I like to shower every morning, and be able to flush whenever needed!

My brother in law used to own community water systems in Washington state. If someone didn't pay their bill, he would turn off their water. Somehow they would always come up with the money, within a day to pay their bill, as well as the additional reconnect fee.
 
When I was young and living in Danbury, Ct, there was a clothing store downtown that I used to dread going into whenever my mom would drag my sister and I in there. I would hear this super high pitched noise I came to find out later was the lighting. It wasn't even hardly a noise, more of a ringing feeling in my head.

They knew I hated having to hang around while they shopped for clothes and thought I was just being punk when I'd tell them I was going to wait outside. They heard nothing and it would always end in a huge argument because my mom thought I was fibbing to her just to get out.

I have found that aluminum foil hats do help these days... :rolleyes:

My youngest son hates going into Wall Mart.
He says the lights make him "homicidal" :-D

I think it's just the people, and not actually the lights.
 
The new "Smart Meters" have built in devices that can listen to and transmit conversations taking place within 25' of any wall outlet powered through that meter.

The new meters also have a camera that can watch and transmit whatever is going on within view of the meter.

We keep our meter covered in tinfoil and use a white noise device that plugs into one outlet in every room.

I hate to burst your bubble, but you're a little behind the technology. The Utilities are savvy to the tin foil method of blocking their access, so they have implemented the means to overcome your defense. You are still being 'watched'
 
The power company always wins they encourage people to use less then have to raise rates due to less demand and claim their cost has not decreased and the cost of production has increased.
about once a year my water bill will go up 3x in a month they always say must be a metering problem and they use the newer met err s that replaced people with technology.

Here where I live the PUD offers very generous rebates for installing energy saving measures. This includes energy efficient windows and doors, super insulating the attic, floor and walls, and ductless heat pumps. In the last two years, I have gotten rebate checks totaling over $2000.00. The Utility has this figured out so that the less energy I use, the more they can sell to California, at a higher rate. That is why they want you to use as little electricity as possible; to free up the excess power to resell.
 

When I was young and living in Danbury, Ct, there was a clothing store downtown that I used to dread going into whenever my mom would drag my sister and I in there. I would hear this super high pitched noise I came to find out later was the lighting. It wasn't even hardly a noise, more of a ringing feeling in my head.

They knew I hated having to hang around while they shopped for clothes and thought I was just being punk when I'd tell them I was going to wait outside. They heard nothing and it would always end in a huge argument because my mom thought I was fibbing to her just to get out.

I have found that aluminum foil hats do help these days... :rolleyes:

Old magnetic ballasts definitely can be noisy and you were probably sensitive to the frequency. They probably emitted some other 'waves' too,(in addition to cooking out nasty chemicals when they overheat) but I doubt they would reach you, let alone do anything unless you had one under your pillow.

As for the foil hat (LOL!) heres one from ebay for your pooch...

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So you feel that all of "those" people's issue's are caused by just knowing the electronic meter is there?
(Not a smartass question) as I know people do this kind of stuff.

My Mother in law will somtimes say to us "Your neighbor must be smoking, because I'm getting a headache" :-D
Seriously.

It makes me laugh, but I try to keep an open mind about stuff like this as being at least possible until proven otherwise.
I do know that apparently some people are RF sensitive, so this is where I thought this was centered.

Here's what I know. Bear in mind I'm 65, got my first amateur license in about 1965, and have worked in and out of RF all my life.

1...There are ZERO documented cases of actual damage to people in any fashion by means of RF radiation, except in extreme, "obvious" cases...........such as

tower climbers who came across a damaged HIGH POWER microwave waveguide emitting concentrated hi power

occasionally some "kid" decides to bypass the door safeties on a microwave.

"stuff like that." When I say zero, I'm talking about alleged brain cancer from cellphones and other low power devices. None of this has ever been proven.

2...To repeat, any wireless device, your router, your laptop wireless device, bluetooth, any of these what has become household items emit far more radiation and far more often that the tiny, low powered device in any meter. Hell, BABY MONITORS output more RF than a so called smart meter

(On a side note, a baby monitor is a free look into your house 24 hours a day. It has a microphone which picks up anything nearby, and transmits it for several blocks surrounding your house)

3...Anybody that seriously believes there are "cameras and microphones in electrical outlets" needs mental help, not RF shielding. Tin hats by the way, are not RF shielding

4...The idea that you "feel" RF radiation is preposterous. RF radiation causes heating in tissues, exactly the same way microwave ovens work. Generally, you would go blind before anything else. "The joke" in my Navy days used to be you would go sterile. The fact is, that by that time, you wouldn't be able to see what you were sterile "with."

I would suggest that some of you that REALLY think these meters are dangerous actually do some real life testing. Go buy an RF spectrum analyzer. You can get them on Ebay. I've got an old HP853 series display, which takes several different analyzer modules, covering up into the microwave range

Below is a quick shot of "some of my junk"

Top photo is the 853A series analyzer

Middle photo,
The analyzer on the left is a very old and beat up 141T series, with tracking generator on top. The one at bottom center is the 853A, with an old HP signal generator on top, the tracking gen for the 853 on top of that, and a very nice frequency counter at very top. And on top of THAT is a couple of more RF modules for the 853 analyzer

To the far left of the photo are the covered fronts of an old IFR 1000S RF monitor, and below that, an old CT Systems 3000 series. Even THAT old girl has a very poor spectral display in it.

The bottom photo is some more of my beat up pile of outdated but still somewhat useful test gear

Top left, an old Tektronix scope, sitting on top of a still very useful Motorola RF service monitor. Even this old girl has a rudimentary spectrum analyzer good to 1 ghz.

To the right are various sweep generators, and out of the photo is yet another obsolete HP o'scope frame which as a TDR (time domain reflectometer) installed, with what are called "amplitude swept analyzer" modules." These are the fore-runners to todays modern network analyzers.
 

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When my electric co-op replaced my meter with a transmitting meter, I had to replace my phones and my baby monitor because it transmitted on the same frequency. That was frustrating, because they didn't really care and said there was nothing I could do about it, so the power company (not the one I work for, by the way) cost me an extra $200 so that they could read the meter by driving by.

It happens.

Being picky about terminology, I was thinking the smart meters were the ones installed that the power company could use to cut off your power in periods of high demand.
 
Here's what I know. Bear in mind I'm 65, got my first amateur license in about 1965, and have worked in and out of RF all my life.

1...There are ZERO documented cases of actual damage to people in any fashion by means of RF radiation, except in extreme, "obvious" cases...........such as

tower climbers who came across a damaged HIGH POWER microwave waveguide emitting concentrated hi power

occasionally some "kid" decides to bypass the door safeties on a microwave.

"stuff like that." When I say zero, I'm talking about alleged brain cancer from cellphones and other low power devices. None of this has ever been proven.

2...To repeat, any wireless device, your router, your laptop wireless device, bluetooth, any of these what has become household items emit far more radiation and far more often that the tiny, low powered device in any meter. Hell, BABY MONITORS output more RF than a so called smart meter

(On a side note, a baby monitor is a free look into your house 24 hours a day. It has a microphone which picks up anything nearby, and transmits it for several blocks surrounding your house)

3...Anybody that seriously believes there are "cameras and microphones in electrical outlets" needs mental help, not RF shielding. Tin hats by the way, are not RF shielding

4...The idea that you "feel" RF radiation is preposterous. RF radiation causes heating in tissues, exactly the same way microwave ovens work. Generally, you would go blind before anything else. "The joke" in my Navy days used to be you would go sterile. The fact is, that by that time, you wouldn't be able to see what you were sterile "with."

I would suggest that some of you that REALLY think these meters are dangerous actually do some real life testing. Go buy an RF spectrum analyzer. You can get them on Ebay. I've got an old HP853 series display, which takes several different analyzer modules, covering up into the microwave range

Below is a quick shot of "some of my junk"

Top photo is the 853A series analyzer

Middle photo,
The analyzer on the left is a very old and beat up 141T series, with tracking generator on top. The one at bottom center is the 853A, with an old HP signal generator on top, the tracking gen for the 853 on top of that, and a very nice frequency counter at very top. And on top of THAT is a couple of more RF modules for the 853 analyzer

To the far left of the photo are the covered fronts of an old IFR 1000S RF monitor, and below that, an old CT Systems 3000 series. Even THAT old girl has a very poor spectral display in it.

The bottom photo is some more of my beat up pile of outdated but still somewhat useful test gear

Top left, an old Tektronix scope, sitting on top of a still very useful Motorola RF service monitor. Even this old girl has a rudimentary spectrum analyzer good to 1 ghz.

To the right are various sweep generators, and out of the photo is yet another obsolete HP o'scope frame which as a TDR (time domain reflectometer) installed, with what are called "amplitude swept analyzer" modules." These are the fore-runners to todays modern network analyzers.

JEES DEL! A simple yes or no would have been fine. :-D
Seriously though, you have a lot of equipment there.
 
JEES DEL! A simple yes or no would have been fine. :-D
Seriously though, you have a lot of equipment there.

Yeh, 'n the crime is, I really don't make that much use of it, anymore. Even throwin' wrenches at a Dart is better exercise than sittin' in front of a bench
 
Nice work there Robj. She looks a little nervous; It will take a little for her to get used to the helmet, but she will most certainly transform into a much happier, healthier pet. :-D
Well, after I explained to her what it was for she was concerned whether or not if it would work. I assured her that bighammer approved it.
 
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