fishmarket
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go with the DELRIN's from Bergman. once you get em', you'll understand why they're so good
What pins do you have the Delrin bushings on?
go with the DELRIN's from Bergman. once you get em', you'll understand why they're so good
THESE. perfect fit because they're designed for these bushingsWhat pins do you have the Delrin bushings on?
not worth my time
72 Have you used PST Polygraphite LCA bushings? Apparently they self lubricate to some degree.
Thinking of putting a set in my 67 Barracuda
I have had some experience with heims used in suspension systems.
IMHO
Yes - if set up correctly they are easy to adjust, in particular say for changing conditions at the track.
Yes - they do allow for freedom of movement when tuned correctly.
Yes - they look cool.
No - they do not last long, even the really tough expensive ones.
No - they are not quiet, they do tend to rattle in some applications.
Unless you are into some serious driving like autocross I cant recommend them for your average street machine.
What pins do you have the Delrin bushings on?
..........................................Wow didn't know we we were going to spelling class here. But who in the world would paint a early Cuda "perpile"? An english teacher? LOL . Keep on using the easy to install poly LCA butchings. Lube em up. You should be good at that. LMFAO. Your close why don't you stop on in for coffee. PM me for my address. Cuda parts galore. Maybe I can lube your bushings for ya.
Look! More K-member butchery for ya
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Wow didn't know we we were going to spelling class here. But who in the world would paint a early Cuda "perpile"? An english teacher? LOL . Keep on using the easy to install poly LCA butchings. Lube em up. You should be good at that. LMFAO. Your close why don't you stop on in for coffee. PM me for my address. Cuda parts galore. Maybe I can lube your bushings for ya.
Look! More K-member butchery for ya
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No, I'm not asking how Googles does it. Might be interesting though...
I'm asking for the part number for the NAPA 73-76 A body rubber strut rod bushing you mentioned getting.
Not the MOOG. Got those on the shelf.
Thanks.
That's actually a lot misinformation and as usual, and very incorrect. The do swivel. Many people use the slang "Swivel Joint" when referring to Heim Joints. Usually they are listed to have between 5 to around 20 degrees of swivel for most automotive application. They can "Swivel" on some Heim joints as much as 65 degrees. You would need to look up the manufacturing drawings and specs to know how much they "swivel", but they all do to some degree. It all depends on how much load you need them to carry.
The fact that they do "Swivel" is also the main reason they prematurely fail. If you were to have the axis of the ball close to the degree limit they were designed for (say 18 degrees in the attached picture), the rod end portion will dig into the ball. They work their best when installed close to 90 degrees so the loads are carried correctly through the race between the ball and rod end. I saw pictures on FAO where a guy installed Hotchkis upper control arms on his Duster and did just that.
Been using them for 30 years on suspension R&D test fixtures for GM. Installed correctly they can get cycled a million times. Installed incorrect I've seen them wasted in under 100 cycles.
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Any word on these?
Sure be a handy part number to have on site.
I've checked my sources with no luck.
Suppliers I dealt with 40 years ago aren't there anymore.
Thanks.
Swivels are for fishing, not engineering.
20*’s of misalignment (the correct term, btw) is not swiveling.
The fact that you’ve been using inaccurate terminology for 30 years doesn’t make it correct. Same as OMM being wrong about poly bushings for 30 years doesn’t make him right.
And “a lot of misinformation”? There’s a lot of information in that post, using the term “swivel” when you mean heim is the absolute least of it. The rest of the information is 100% factual, I’ve done everything else.
And I know how a heim works. The heims on the strut rods on my cars have logged over a 100,000 miles of everyday street driving, I’m perfectly aware of what they’re capable of.
Moog is currently listing them as a 5-8 week delay, you have to accept that term to even place an order.
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Amazon actually made me confirm my order again just now, they're listing as trying to ship by September 25th. Order has been pending since July 27th.
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It'll always be a spherical rod end to me.
Wrong again 72blubberboo. They swivel. If you worked in engineering you know the many different terms for Heim Joints. That name came from a patent the Heim company held for a “Mechanical Joint”. And they all swivel.
Oh, my terminology is correct. I know the names that are used. But you are the guy that installed them wrong on your Challenger, because you don’t know the axis thru the ball swivels and needs to be as close to 90 degrees as possible through its motion.
You can unpurse your lips now and take your hand off your hip before your mascara starts to run.
Right?!
The LCA travels in an arc and the strut rod is attached at an angle to it and also travels in an arc. So 90° to what now? They sit at an angle so the end rides through the middle of the range of misalignment from the top of the travel to the bottom. Hook 'em up like you describe and they won't last the 70k+ miles the ones on my challenger have done. They still look brand new too, nice and tight.
And just like OMM. Massively insecure personality, immediately resorts to name calling when questioned, incapable of logical discussion. It's pretty clear why you work in a second rate contracted brake R&D shop that just cycles the parts they get from GM on a test fixture and reports back. Not even your shop. After 30 years any engineer worth his salt should be running a shop of that caliber, not working under the engineers that do.
You are correct JimmyIt'll always be a spherical rod end to me.
They aren't called Heim's, because that's a vendor name. Just like you wouldn't call phenolic by Synthane. Maybe we should call them QA1's because they make the best ones. It's your logic? One guy I work with calls them Heimi's when we test for Chrysler.
Actually... you didn't have them installed right on your Challenger, then you got into all pissy & bitchy with your panties in a bunch when I responded to your numerous posts on FAO and FEO, the ones where you were telling the world that Hotchkis sold you junk and they were worn out in 7,000 miles. Crying, lots of crying until Hotchkis just gave you a set because you were ruining their business and our hobby. You didn't know how to install them correctly, you even provided pictures to that fact. ( But let's all wait now for your snarky come back about how something that has various names, that you can't accept because of your princess title ).
I never did thank you by the way. They were doing a Power Point presentation at work about problems and solutions. We had to show what happens when you install a spherical rod end beyond the "Swivel" specs of a manufacturer. The only place I could find an example of some idiot installing them incorrectly and not trying to hold 90 degrees between the axis on the ball and the threaded rod end was your pics that you posted all over the internet...
Long story short. I got a raise for all my help ( copy and pasted your pics in my email ). But, I really needed to thank you for posting those pics. I owe you a beer... or a Zima or whatever you fruits in California drink. ( Can you drink liquids out there? Or do you have to use them to put out your state which is always on fire ).
Sorry to bother you, it must be rough not knowing how to put out a fire and be employed as a firefighter. Couple that with forgetting your purse in your house when you stormed out to your car that takes you 4 hours to start.
Heim joint is always capitalized I see. It must be a brand name. Like Kleenex or Q tip.
Oh I see, now you're talking about a COMPLETELY different application. The heims on the strut rods on my Challenger have gone 70,000 miles and work great. The heims on the Hotchkis UCA's on my Challenger did wear out in 7k miles. And Hotchkis did send me new ones, after I spoke with their tech and their tech reviewed the pictures I posted as well as others that I sent them directly when they asked. We spoke several times both directly and by email. Their conclusion was that the UCA's were installed correctly, which I confirmed because I wanted to make sure the replacements were installed correctly. Everyone makes mistakes, me included. If Hotchkis had contacted me and said they thought I installed their UCA's incorrectly I would have updated my posts to say exactly that and installed the new ones according to their tech's instructions. But that's not what they said. They said there was nothing wrong with the installation, and sent a new set of heims and the new rod end boots that they were not selling when I originally purchased my UCA's.
I'm also not the only one that's had issues wearing out heim joints at the UCA. @autoxcuda has had the same issue with his Hotchkis UCA's. Hotchkis was great to me, and I never blamed them or said their UCAs or even their heim joints were junk. I still have their UCA's on my Challenger and intend to keep on running them. I didn't even ask for any replacements, the parts were not within warranty. Hotchkis reached out to me. And to say that I'm important enough to "ruin their name and our hobby" is pretty hilarious. Hotchkis never asked me to alter my posts or take down the pictures either. I made a big deal out of saying how they went out of their way to send replacement parts, and that their techs were very helpful. All of that said, I do not think that heims at the UCA are a good choice for a street car, because they have proven to have longevity issues in that application. Not just on my car, and not just Hotchkis.
I do have to compliment you on your imagination though, because I can't imagine any professional setting where you'd need to do a powerpoint on something like you describe, or that it would be worth a raise even if you did. Cool story though.
Keep on digging with the insults, it really just demonstrates that you're a toddler.
Yup, and people ask for a kleenex when they want a tissue too. Some brand names become synonymous with the product.
Nope. You had them installed wrong. You just won’t admit it. And I have first hand knowledge you did so and Hotchkis just wanted to quiet you down because you were ruining their business.
looks like you Brian are in for the day at the weed shop.