Somethings the site does that I don't agree

[Oldmanmopar]

I recently asked 2 questions and for pictures on a car for sale thread for a friend interested in the car. My friend asked me if I thought the car was a real 340 car as claimed having original 391's. After the seller answered my questions on the open forum and provided pictures for all to see. The proof was evident the car was a rebodied restoration.

My posts were then taken down to hide the facts of the car not being the real deal 340 car. His own answer and pictures prove the hidden truth. But a site moderator helped him deceive other potential buyers on this site.

Instead of my posts being removed I would think his deceiving sale thread should be taken down or corrected. When did we decide to help members sell their clones when they clearly are. Remember this. All 340 cars came with drip rail chrome so when there is a painted filler piece still on the drip rail seam it usually didn't have the chrome from new.

Plus all 340 cars came with a factory right side exhaust hanger. Sure the hanger can be added but when the phillips screw that holds it in place was never there then it was usually added. This car never had the hanger at all and still didn't have one by the sellers own admission. And still the seller is allowed to sell his car as a original 391 car on this site. If we are going to enforce rules that should be one of the most important to enforce. No Fakes sold on this site unless stated as one.

Members pointing out discrepancies on this site is why people come here for advise due to the knowledge and honesty. When did that change to allow deceit. I believe that sale thread should be corrected or taken down not hide the truth for the seller just because it was built by a magazine years ago. Beware of fakes they are out there.

 

[Demonracer]

Agree, some of the "mods" are becoming overbearing when it comes to legit questions about "For Sale" items. The statement is, "take it to PM" some of the time. I've queried a few members about things via "PM" and then nothing but crickets. I also agree that some of the times the comments are unnecessary and maybe these comments should be deleted "with" an explanation to the poster(s) as to why. Blindly deleting things tends to piss people off and turn them away from this site. There are indeed bogus stuff that shows up here and members are quick to point it out.

 

[tinman2]

Like I've stated before, I always liked reading the conversations on For Sale threads. You can sometimes learn a lot from the discussions.

 

[Oldmanmopar]

If you post something on this site that is clearly advertised wrong . The post that makes members aware of the description mistake should be left there for all members to see and make there own decision. At least let members weigh the facts brought to light. Now if someone buys that car from this site ad and finds later the the car is a clone how trustworthy is the sites reputation.

 

[One Bullet Barney]

I just looked in on that thread and read all the deleated comments.
I understand the wanting to help correct possible mistakes in an add. Intentionally or not, and sometimes the person doing the correction is wrong.
That's always been the issue with allowing comments in sale threads.
my suggestion is discuss your comments or concerns in private with the OP. And me if you wish to try and straighten out the issue.
I have no problem with that.

 

[Kendog 170]

If you post something on this site that is clearly advertised wrong . The post that makes members aware of the description mistake should be left there for all members to see and make there own decision. At least let members weigh the facts brought to light. Now if someone buys that car from this site ad and finds later the the car is a clone how trustworthy is the sites reputation.

I just looked in on that thread and read all the deleated comments.
I understand the wanting to help correct possible mistakes in an add. Intentionally or not, and sometimes the person doing the correction is wrong.
That's always been the issue with allowing comments in sale threads.
my suggestion is discuss your comments or concerns in private with the OP. And me if you wish to try and straighten out the issue.
I have no problem with that.

Both good points.

 

[4spdragtop]

 

[Oldmanmopar]

I just looked in on that thread and read all the deleated comments.
I understand the wanting to help correct possible mistakes in an add. Intentionally or not, and sometimes the person doing the correction is wrong.
That's always been the issue with allowing comments in sale threads.
my suggestion is discuss your comments or concerns in private with the OP. And me if you wish to try and straighten out the issue.
I have no problem with that.

I believe the facts pointed out should be evident to a site moderator and the whole ad should be revised. Car came with 391's as per ad. which points to a 340 car with the pictures of 340 hood and engine.

Car is evident not coming with drip rail molding due to the painted elbow present, which all 340 cars came with that molding standard .

Then to boot my next question after he posted the pictures above the wing window.

PO stated in an answer to question it has no right side exhaust hanger behind the muffler on the body . Every 340 car I looked at came with dual exhaust.

Questions of the cars authenticity should never be deleted from an ad if there is an issue with deceit in the sale thread .

The info and the pictures make potential buyers not familiar with these cars a subject to being taken advantage of. Not saying the owner of the car even knew but why not be open with this info to all members for concern of us all. even the person selling the car. It would be for his protection also.

Now those problems with the car could be corrected and the real coverup gets better with the help of the person deleting the questions brought up letting the OP make the corrections

So who does it help by deleting this info where fraud could turn into a legal matter? When an open discussion would help all on this site including info the OP should know if he does't already? Looks like someone went to great lengths to build a car that was not real. and now we helped that person hide it if he chooses.

 

[340sFastback]

In the past legitimate valid questions answers were left in the for sale post? And they added value and were in the context of what was for sale.

 

[One Bullet Barney]

I believe the facts pointed out should be evident to a site moderator and the whole ad should be revised. Car came with 391's as per ad. which points to a 340 car with the pictures of 340 hood and engine.

Car is evident not coming with drip rail molding due to the painted elbow present, which all 340 cars came with that molding standard .

Then to boot my next question after he posted the pictures above the wing window.

PO stated in an answer to question it has no right side exhaust hanger behind the muffler on the body . Every 340 car I looked at came with dual exhaust.

Questions of the cars authenticity should never be deleted from an ad if there is an issue with deceit in the sale thread .

The info and the pictures make potential buyers not familiar with these cars a subject to being taken advantage of. Not saying the owner of the car even knew but why not be open with this info to all members for concern of us all. even the person selling the car. It would be for his protection also.

Now those problems with the car could be corrected and the real coverup gets better with the help of the person deleting the questions brought up letting the OP make the corrections

So who does it help buy deleting this info where fraud could turn into a legal matter? When an open discussion would help all on this site including info the OP should know if he does't already? Looks like someone went to great lengths to build a car that was not real. and now we helped that person hide it if he chooses.

I understand what you are saying. However , sometimes when a car goes down an assembly line. And something is not avaliable for what ever reason something is omited, or exchanged, that's a fact the line keeps moving. I don't care who the manufacturer is.
I experienced that first hand .in 1973 I ordered a car. Waited six weeks for it.when it showed up It didnt have the wood grain dash or the Guages. That came with the performance package.
When I questioned why . The reply was parts not avaliable at time of assembly.
I'm not questioning your knowledge or experience. Just sharing mine.

 

[One Bullet Barney]

In the past legitimate valid questions answers were left in the for sale post? And they added value and were in the context of what was for sale.

If it's worded as a question. I learned that early on.
If it's an opinion or a comment no.

 

[YY1]

Car was a LL Swinger Special, correct?

Those are the Canada only 340 cars.
Kinda a unique and oddball car.
Do we know they had drip trim?

Now for the dual exhaust, I agree.
All 340 car models I know of were 4 barrel, dual exhaust cars.
However, the factory dual exhaust cars I've seen had a screw/bolt on bracket for the second side, vs the welded on bracket for the primary side.
Basically, drill a hole, and you are factor correct.

 

[One Bullet Barney]

SALE] 1969 DART SWINGER HOTROD/CAR CRAFT FOUND AND RESTORED​

 

[OneOfMany]

Car was a LL Swinger Special, correct?

Those are the Canada only 340 cars.
Kinda a unique and oddball car.
Do we know they had drip trim?

Car in question is a 69. The Canadian specials were only 71 & 72. So their options don't relate to the car for sale.

 

[YY1]

Sorry.

Mixed up the cars.

 

[OneOfMany]

However , sometimes when a car goes down an assembly line. And something is not avaliable for what ever reason something is omited, or exchanged, that's a fact the line keeps moving.

This is true, however whether it is a Swinger or GTS, all 340 cars came with the factory dual exhaust, therefore the hanger would always be present.

 

[OneOfMany]

Questions of the cars authenticity should never be deleted from an ad if there is an issue with deceit in the sale thread .

Although the ad does not specifically indicate that this car is a true car, a quick search shows this car as being listed at Mecum, with the serial number and matching motor which implies that it is. Therefore in this case I agree that the questioning is valid.

 

[OneOfMany]

The info and the pictures make potential buyers not familiar with these cars a subject to being taken advantage of

True. However this came up in a previous for auction thread where it was stated that a 69 'cuda could be ordered stripe/blackout delete, with just the scoops, based on the fender tag showing the stripe delete code. In that case, the assertion that it was possible, when in fact it was not. In that case the stripe delete code was on all 'cuda models, and indicated removal of the side stripe, and was superseded by the A code which implied the 'cuda stripe/blackout and scoops.

 

[junkyardhero]

i don't see why this is an issue, the car isn't listed as an original 340 car.

as always, caveat emptor

 

[harrisonm]

I just looked in on that thread and read all the deleated comments.
I understand the wanting to help correct possible mistakes in an add. Intentionally or not, and sometimes the person doing the correction is wrong.
That's always been the issue with allowing comments in sale threads.
my suggestion is discuss your comments or concerns in private with the OP. And me if you wish to try and straighten out the issue.
I have no problem with that.

I agree with you and @Oldmanmopar both. My problem with contacting the OP and then a moderator is that it could take a day or two to get the needed responses and have a moderator correct the ad. During that time a member could purchase a car that was falsely (by accident or on purpose) advertised. So if it is worded as a question, that would be OK??? Perhaps something like, "I notice that the *** appears to be missing. Can you tell me if this is an original 340 car?" Then the concerned member could contact a moderator if the OP's answer was not satisfactory.

 

[dano]

Maybe have two car sales forum locations. One for Non-original, modified, clones, resto rods, etc and one for Original cars. The one for original cars could have a higher degree of rules, provide appropriate provenance and be objectively scrutinized by either staff, certain members in the know along with staff or just who ever chimes in.

 

[OneOfMany]

1969 Dodge Dart Swinger For Sale At Auction - Mecum Auctions

It may not be listed as such, but as stated, a quick search pulls up this.

Without knowledge of errors, would vendor disclose? That I don't know. Is vendor aware? Again, that I don't know. Does it matter? Maybe, maybe not. Questions were asked and answered, and it should be encumbent on the vendor to respond.

Caveat emptor? Isn't that what this site is supposed to help ascertain?

 

[jos51700]

I think the biggest issue here is that OMM is potentially keeping someone from completing a fraudulent sale, whether the seller is doing so intentionally or not.

Maybe "For sale" ads could have a more prominent 'Report' button that would pull the ad until the issue is investigated/resolved?

With all the fraud on the web lately, something should probably be done.

 

[One Bullet Barney]

I think the biggest issue here is that OMM is potentially keeping someone from completing a fraudulent sale, whether the seller is doing so intentionally or not.

Maybe "For sale" ads could have a more prominent 'Report' button that would pull the ad until the issue is investigated/resolved?

With all the fraud on the web lately, something should probably be done.

Any add or comment in any thread that is reported goes to Joey and the moderators to review.. then it is investigated , reviewed, and resolved. Based on its merit as per the rules.

 

[junkyardhero]

1969 Dodge Dart Swinger For Sale At Auction - Mecum Auctions

It may not be listed as such, but as stated, a quick search pulls up this.

Without knowledge of errors, would vendor disclose? That I don't know. Is vendor aware? Again, that I don't know. Does it matter? Maybe, maybe not. Questions were asked and answered, and it should be encumbent on the vendor to respond.

Caveat emptor? Isn't that what this site is supposed to help ascertain?

show me on the copy where it says "original 340 car".

hint: it doesn't

show me anywhere that says "original 340 car" in the car craft article

hint: it doesn't

if you're gonna drop FIFTY LARGE on a vehicle i think some due diligence is necessary. like, i dunno, start a thread about it...

anyway, here's the hitch in the giddy up: where does the vetting stop? is it rarity of a part? price? cars only? NOS only? etc etc