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dukeboy_318 said:
Well the highly recommended comes not only from that experience but from all the reputable sources also recommending them.

As I said above however, it really depends on the exact use of the car. Which is why I think he should call Hotchiss and tell them his combo and let their experts set him up with the shocks that'll work best out of the box for him
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Then they recommend them, your opinion is a minor anecdote at best.

Don’t talk like an expert making a recommendation when you aren’t qualified to claim the recommendation as your own.

That’s exactly how that dude convinced himself to buy a 3500 stall converter for a stock 318 2 bbl.

Think about it.
 
Ddaddy said:
Then they recommend them, your opinion is a minor anecdote at best.

Don’t talk like an expert making a recommendation when you aren’t qualified to claim the recommendation as your own.

That’s exactly how that dude convinced himself to buy a 3500 stall converter for a stock 318 2 bbl.

Think about it.
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Mopar Tim said:
They do...
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And for a decent price too!

Hey, I was looking at their data on the springs you have, says 620 for capacity, I wonder if that's the spring rate? Normally I see spring rates for leaf springs listed like "110 lbs per inch" or something along those lines
 
Mattax said:
The 'vert will have a higher percentage of weight on the rear, and the springs will be carrying more weight in general. Its still probably going to be in the working range either of the non-adjustables mentioned. Hotchkis has been trying to say that they're setup doesn't require as stiff - high rate suspension as us 'old school' guys have been using. So there probably is some difference in the working range between what FF and Hotchkis are offering.
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That’s exactly what I am concerned about. The rear spring rate probably doesn’t match with the new front heavy t-bars and the car will be unbalanced and soft in the tail. Trying to equalize that with the shocks isn’t the right solution.
 
If you have the time/interest/energy - Stanley Spring is based out of Harrisburg Pa. (or they were). You can try to contact them for a local distributor/retailer. Retailers rarely tell or advertise who the manufacturers are. Honestly I forget why or how I came to conclude that Stengel Bros are Stanleys. It may have simply been I know we got them in Allentown and the springs were marked Stanley. Thats about the same way I learned that Lee Springs in Newark NJ caried Triangle Mfc. years ago.
 
Ddaddy said:
Then they recommend them, your opinion is a minor anecdote at best.

Don’t talk like an expert making a recommendation when you aren’t qualified to claim the recommendation as your own.

That’s exactly how that dude convinced himself to buy a 3500 stall converter for a stock 318 2 bbl.

Think about it.
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Note: you asked about my experience with them in an A body, but I've used them on other projects and been around the local autocross scene since I was 15. So yes, while my experience with them in an a body may be limited, my overall experience is not.

And for sure not near the level of the dude trying to buy a 3500 billet converter for a stock 318x
 
dukeboy_318 said:
And for a decent price too!

Hey, I was looking at their data on the springs you have, says 620 for capacity, I wonder if that's the spring rate? Normally I see spring rates for leaf springs listed like "110 lbs per inch" or something along those lines
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For some reason the don't list the rate. It's 620 lbs divided by free arch.
 
Ddaddy said:
That’s exactly what I am concerned about. The rear spring rate probably doesn’t match with the new front heavy t-bars and the car will be unbalanced and soft in the tail. Trying to equalize that with the shocks isn’t the right solution.
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Just curious but why would the Vert put more weight on the rear springs? Structural design shift the weight ?
 
WooHoo! One more little band of showers and we're done with this for a few days! Outlaw Sprints got washed out at Ocean Speedway too. The picture showed a flooded infield. Bakersfield? Who Knows? Rough start for dirt track season. Good start for the surrounding hills and their vegetation and wildlife.
 
Ddaddy said:
That’s exactly what I am concerned about. The rear spring rate probably doesn’t match with the new front heavy t-bars and the car will be unbalanced and soft in the tail. Trying to equalize that with the shocks isn’t the right solution.
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I should know this off the top of my head, but too many cobwebs. 'this' being the damping relationships needed when changins spring rates and sprung weights.
Lets start with the easy:
Shifting weight back will need more free arch or more rate to achieve the same ride ht.
It will reduce the need for front roll stiffness, and/or increase the need for rear roll stiffness to achieve the same balance as before.
More wieght back is a good thing in our cars. I'd say a little higher in the rear spring rates would be good and stiffer front t-bars still would be OK.

The only thing that remains a question is whether the Hotchkis or Billies will control the additional spring rate and sprung wt.
The quick moving response (uneven pavement) will probably be OK, but the weight shifting in long turns, slaloms - thats the possible concern.
 
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dukeboy_318 said:
And for a decent price too!

Hey, I was looking at their data on the springs you have, says 620 for capacity, I wonder if that's the spring rate? Normally I see spring rates for leaf springs listed like "110 lbs per inch" or something along those lines
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It says spring rate 85.
 
GeorgeH said:
I'm seeing 85lbs spring rate
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dang George. I've only had a half glass. Where? Nevermind - General's site. Yes. lol

I'm calculating 80 lbs/in from the info on Stengel's site. It could be a similiar spring from another manufacture.
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One thing I look at is the spring pack thickness. A thicker pack with the same numbe of leaves is probably going to take more abuse and last longer.
 
Ddaddy said:
Ouch, that’s light. What is the spring rate on the new torsion bars you got?
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FWIW my notes from the Mopar Perf bulletins give only a few stock spring rates but amongst them are 110 lb/in for Formula S and Dart GTS, as well as '65 Station wagon. Heavy Duty Wagon and 383 equiped A-bodies 130 #/in.
 

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