The horse is dead

[Newbomb Turk]

It's amazing how you know everything and how every scenario has played out. That's one hell of a gift you have. Must be nice knowing it all. Do you like how Dave's dick tastes or what?

Look how you talked to me. I told you the truth and you cried your eyes out.

Grow up and lose the thin skin.

I’m giving you free advice and you STILL ***** about it. That is the height of arrogance.

I can tell you by this thread how you roll.

The fact is you wanted someone to hold your hand and walk you through all the potential issues with changing rockers arms.

That’s NOT his issue.

So to sum this **** show up for posterity.

You bought a product that you were neither prepared to install nor did you do the research to figure out what to do, so you call the guy and tell him his parts don’t fit, when in reality they do fit and the only thing wrong with them is the inexperience of the installer.

How is that Dave’s issue?

 

[Babyblue66]

I didn’t expect him to know anything.
What I said was he could have saved himself a lot of grief had he just done some research BEFORE he bought the rockers.


If you think that is arrogant and disrespectful that’s on you.

Coming on here and trashing a guy for your inexperience is bullshit.

And if you think I’m wrong about the OP, look at this thread.

He thinks I disrespected him. I told him the big boy truth.

I’m too ******* old to baby sit Karen’s.

I did do research. I read everything on Hughes website about their gift from God rockers. It didn't say I needed to hog out my pushrod holes 1/8 inch. If it did, I would have done that first or got 1.5s. Once again you say I'm trashing him because I don't know what I'm doing or I'm a Karen. It's his attitude, why is it so hard for you to comprehend the guy didn't even want to talk to me about it. I'm a reasonable person.
Big boy truth? Which was what, I don't know **** and shouldnt be building engines? It's not Dave's fault he's a Dick? You know everything?
You're full of great advice and such helpful insight. A pure ray of sunshine!

 

[Kern Dog]

When I see threads on the forums where a member opens with XYZ engines ripped me off. I will NEVER buy from XYZ engines again! , my usual first response if to think the OP is a whiner.
When you have heard from multiple sources that a vendor has a reputation for being rude, it made me take a closer look.
Sure...maybe the OP could have done more research. I usually do but hey, I'm not blaming him for that.
IF there were some advisory somewhere that served as a heads up for additional work being required AND the OP ignored it then yeah...I'd have little sympathy.
I don't think that happened. I looked at the Hughes site last night and didn't see any warning of clearance issues. Did I miss it?
I have a set of the 1.6 rocker arms from Hughes, they came on an engine that I bought last year. At a glance, they look untouched.
Now maybe, just maybe there is some degree of blame to be placed on both parties but as a vendor, you'd think they would be inclined be a bit more diplomatic.

 

[Babyblue66]

So here's the Mancini 1.6 rockers I got. They are made by Harland Sharp.
Tell me why Hughes can't make theirs line up with the pushrods better. But according to Newbomb, I should've known how poorly they were going to fit in advance. And it's not Dave's fault having to answer questions about the $1072.00 rocker arms he sells. That poor guy Dave, he has it so rough having to help paying customers. If having to answer questions gets him that emotional, he should stay off the phone.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

So here's the Mancini 1.6 rockers I got. They are made by Harland Sharp.
Tell me why Hughes can't make theirs line up with the pushrods better. But according to Newbomb, I should've known how poorly they were going to fit in advance. And it's not Dave's fault having to answer questions about the $1072.00 rocker arms he sells. That poor guy Dave, he has it so rough having to help paying customers. If having to answer questions gets him that emotional, he should stay off the phone.

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Damn dude you are THICK. You are blaming the rockers for your lack of experience.

Better verify your geometry.

 

[volaredon]

So then is there another option to buy the crank snout adapter for a mechanical fuel pump eccentric?

 

[Newbomb Turk]

So then is there another option to buy the crank snout adapter for a mechanical fuel pump eccentric?

Not that I’ve seen. I had to modify mine but I didn’t buy it for what it was designed for.

 

[j par]

I love all the comments of how things are from people that have never done the things they say won't work. I don't even bring up the **** I plan to do or build to anyone anymore. I just do it, and when it works, I have fun with it.

You've been on this forum long enough.There was a time when I would share all kinds of stuff and I barely do it all anymore...

Anyways, back to the point here of service...
"Well, sir, that's very odd. I've never had this situation like you're describing especially one so extreme.... is there any chance you could email me a quick picture? So I can take a look, look at what you're looking at?.. maybe it I can help..
( Within one minute, he sing the same picture.We are...)
Oh great, now I'm seeing what you're seeing. Try adjusting the adjusters, almost all the way in..
And then see how much alignment you need... "

There's absolutely no excuse for bad customer service, and that's what it is. It's a service to your customer. After they've given you money for your product...
Or there could be some transparent honesty..
You've seen their write ups for their stuff. It's always, as if their stuff is so superior to everybody else's and if you use their product, you're gonna gain so much horsepower, you're going to need a parachute for your car, or at least that's the way it's written up to make you feel...
Somewhere in there they can say, by the way, if you're not really mechanically inclined, and you call and ask any questions that I feel aren't smart questions. I'm gonna make you feel like s*** and act like you're stupid and just tell you to send my stuff back to me and then charge you a couple $200. Restockingfee....

 

[j par]

So here's the Mancini 1.6 rockers I got. They are made by Harland Sharp.
Tell me why Hughes can't make theirs line up with the pushrods better. But according to Newbomb, I should've known how poorly they were going to fit in advance. And it's not Dave's fault having to answer questions about the $1072.00 rocker arms he sells. That poor guy Dave, he has it so rough having to help paying customers. If having to answer questions gets him that emotional, he should stay off the phone.

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See, those adjusted are so far in... that you can't even see a thread, and that would change the position dramatically...I think they would have fit and Dave screwed up by just being a Dave...

 

[9secRR]

I didn’t read the entire thread but maybe the guy is an asshole because of stuff just like this.

Clearly the OP is not an engine builder. He bought rockets he thought would bolt on. 99% of them do not, and the ones that do still need work.

I run 1.6 rockers and they didn’t fit either. Why? Because the heads were designed for 1.5 rockers. That means the pushrod tunnels and everything else is wrong for anything but a 1.5 rocker.

You not only need to clearance the tunnels for 1.6 rockers you need to correct the geometry.

That’s SOP.

So it’s not bad parts or customer service. It’s a guy that’s been in this business a long time. And he’s been dealing with guys who are unqualified to build engines trashing his parts.

This is on the OP.

i agree with you.
i have dealt with Dave since 2007. i've bought cams, heads, intakes..... from Hughes, never had an issues.

 

[j par]

 

[Kern Dog]

i agree with you.
i have dealt with Dave since 2007. i've bought cams, heads, intakes..... from Hughes, never had an issues.

Come on, man.
Look at your screen name and your avatar. Your persona feeds directly into supporting my argument.
The man seems to get along fine with seasoned racers that are well experienced. He clearly has a problem dealing with people that aren’t at your level.
Want to take a wild guess as to what the percentage is of guys like you versus guys like the OP?
If you are happy with your experiences with him, that is great. Maybe the man doesn’t care to expand his sales numbers. He might be doing fine.
I’d dare to state that the majority of guys that own classic cars have not rebuilt a single engine. They may have bought “crate engines” and installed them but as you get deeper into the nuts and bolts of it all, guys like you get fewer in numbers.
Wouldn’t it be smart to appeal to as many customers as you can?

 

[Newbomb Turk]

Come on, man.
Look at your screen name and your avatar. Your persona feeds directly into supporting my argument.
The man seems to get along fine with seasoned racers that are well experienced. He clearly has a problem dealing with people that aren’t at your level.
Want to take a wild guess as to what the percentage is of guys like you versus guys like the OP?
If you are happy with your experiences with him, that is great. Maybe the man doesn’t care to expand his sales numbers. He might be doing fine.
I’d dare to state that the majority of guys that own classic cars have not rebuilt a single engine. They may have bought “crate engines” and installed them but as you get deeper into the nuts and bolts of it all, guys like you get fewer in numbers.
Wouldn’t it be smart to appeal to as many customers as you can?

Then they shouldn’t attempt something like a rocker ratio change.

Go back a few posts and read what the OP said.

I’ll help you. He said the Hughes rockets don’t fit.

But they do fit. He just didn’t know how to make them fit.

Are the Mancini rockers better because they bolt on? Who knows.

But he should go read the tech pages on .B3racingengines.com

 

[Kern Dog]

If they were a direct fit then they would not require any accommodations to get them to work.
Did they come from the packaging, bolt in place and fit like a stock setup?
No, they didn’t. The OP has a valid point.
How can you be so clueless to not see this? Do you really think that a guy should expect for everything to require additional work to install it?
Screw that. He had no warning. A simple WARNING next to parts that are not a direct fit would separate the hacks from the techs.
Know your market. He isn’t just selling to professional racers and engine builders.

 

[fishmens67]

I never said he wasn’t. He and I have had words. Several times.

I told him to **** off

and we laughed about it.

Sadly that's how you have to deal with Dave. lol
Tim was much better to deal with.
Haven't dealt with Hughes in a few years, don't know.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

If they were a direct fit then they would not require any accommodations to get them to work.
Did they come from the packaging, bolt in place and fit like a stock setup?
No, they didn’t. The OP has a valid point.
How can you be so clueless to not see this? Do you really think that a guy should expect for everything to require additional work to install it?
Screw that. He had no warning. A simple WARNING next to parts that are not a direct fit would separate the hacks from the techs.
Know your market. He isn’t just selling to professional racers and engine builders.

Not clueless. It’s called experience.

Before calling me out you need to go read those tech pages several times and then come back and tell me I’m clueless.

 

[crackedback]

I don't know. Is the checking pushrod adjuster sleeve resting on the tunnel wall?

Sucks about the issue, lots of fun and hurdles building these old girls.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

Sadly that's how you have to deal with Dave. lol
Tim was much better to deal with.
Haven't dealt with Hughes in a few years, don't know.

Exactly. I didn’t cry my eyes out that another man talked hard to me. I gave it right back to his dumb ***.

The incredible things is guys on here are claiming the Hughes rockers don’t fit because another brand bolted on.

That’s some horseshit right there.

Without doing some measuring the OP has no idea if they are better or not.

If he didn’t correct the geometry or at least measure for it and see if it needs to be corrected, he’ll be no different than the thousands of other Chrysler guts out driving around with junk **** geometry.

They don’t know any better and unless you talk to them like a little puppy and coddle them they turn and run.

 

[4spdragtop]

Easy as the fucktard putting a disclaimer "mods may be required" ...how fuckin easy is that?

 

[Kern Dog]

Newbomb...You probably know double what I do about assembling engines. My reference to “clueless” was about how you stubbornly stick to the belief that everyone should expect to modify things to get new parts to fit.
They would expect it IF they are warned of it OR have dealt with the vendor before.
File fit rings are obviously filed to fit the bore.
A simple “pushrod clearancing may be required” would have made all the difference.
I am equally ready to bash a customer that bad mouths a business when they expect too much. There are idiots that think all vendors are out to rip them off and when they make a poor choice that doesn’t go their way, they want to blame the vendor OUT IN THE OPEN instead of calling the vendor to straighten it out.
Honestly, at first I did think that this was one of those examples.
Have you ever dealt with a doctor or an engineer? Sometimes they get really rude if you question them. That arrogance is something that I refuse to tolerate.

 

[Zigtf216]

There ain’t a doubt in the world that Dave could be a dickhead. The other side of that is he ain’t a dumbass either. I have bought cams, rockers, valves, heads,…. .Never bad parts. I gained quite a bit of information from them.

 

[Zigtf216]

Then they shouldn’t attempt something like a rocker ratio change.

Go back a few posts and read what the OP said.

I’ll help you. He said the Hughes rockets don’t fit.

But they do fit. He just didn’t know how to make them fit.

Are the Mancini rockers better because they bolt on? Who knows.

But he should go read the tech pages on .B3racingengines.com

I’m wondering were Mancini rockers really 1.6 to 1

 

[RustyRatRod]

When I see threads on the forums where a member opens with XYZ engines ripped me off. I will NEVER buy from XYZ engines again! , my usual first response if to think the OP is a whiner.
When you have heard from multiple sources that a vendor has a reputation for being rude, it made me take a closer look.
Sure...maybe the OP could have done more research. I usually do but hey, I'm not blaming him for that.
IF there were some advisory somewhere that served as a heads up for additional work being required AND the OP ignored it then yeah...I'd have little sympathy.
I don't think that happened. I looked at the Hughes site last night and didn't see any warning of clearance issues. Did I miss it?
I have a set of the 1.6 rocker arms from Hughes, they came on an engine that I bought last year. At a glance, they look untouched.
Now maybe, just maybe there is some degree of blame to be placed on both parties but as a vendor, you'd think they would be inclined be a bit more diplomatic.

There's always, always, ALWAYS two sides to the story. Usually the complainer only tells their side.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Exactly. I didn’t cry my eyes out that another man talked hard to me. I gave it right back to his dumb ***.

The incredible things is guys on here are claiming the Hughes rockers don’t fit because another brand bolted on.

That’s some horseshit right there.

Without doing some measuring the OP has no idea if they are better or not.

If he didn’t correct the geometry or at least measure for it and see if it needs to be corrected, he’ll be no different than the thousands of other Chrysler guts out driving around with junk **** geometry.

They don’t know any better and unless you talk to them like a little puppy and coddle them they turn and run.

It's always been a known fact that adding different ratio rockers "might" mean some "massaging" to the pushrod holes. It's like havin sex at an old folks home. You're probably gonna need some KY Jelly. That said, I think a few of you fellers are exploring new, uncharted areas of dickhead space. Yall please try not to much up every thread on here, ok?

 

[Newbomb Turk]

You probably know double what I do about assembling engines. My reference to “clueless” was about how you stubbornly stick to the belief that everyone should expect to modify things to get new parts to fit.
They would expect it IF they are warned of it OR have dealt with the vendor before.
File fit rings are obviously filed to fit the bore.
A simple “pushrod clearancing may be required” would have made all the difference.
I am equally ready to bash a customer that bad mouths a business when they expect too much. There are idiots that think all vendors are out to rip them off and when they make a poor choice that doesn’t go their way, they want to blame the vendor OUT IN THE OPEN instead of calling the vendor to straighten it out.
Honestly, at first I did think that this was one of those examples.
Have you ever dealt with a doctor or an engineer? Sometimes they get really rude if you question them. That arrogance is something that I refuse to tolerate.

Because if all he said was modifications required you’d still be lost.

The fact is the OP is evidently not qualified to install after rockers.

Do rear axle gears come with instructions? They give you whet me they need to be set, but there isn’t a technical paper to explain every nuance of setting up gear sets.

80% of the guys on here would NEVER consider setting up their own gear sets, but they expect aftermarket rockers with a higher ratio to fall right on.