Things have just changed 360 build

[moparlover]

octane boost does nothing... it's been tested

however, 10.5:1 will work with proper quench, good cooling, premium gas, aluminum heads, a cam with a lobe sep angle of 110 degrees or so, bleeds off some cyl pressure. KB has a dynamic compression calc on their site - dont go over 8.2 or so and you can run pump gas just fine.

really it's all about the build. if it's done right, you can get more compression & power.

best of all circumstances: stroker kit that is checked thoroughly (eagle cranks need all journals checked for size AND taper especially at the edges because of factory methods)
perfect quench setup (.040) with zero deck pistons, aluminum heads, 10:1, 180 thermostat good radiator and pump
premium gas

if i was on a budget and had to choose between stroker kit vs. aluminum heads i'd go with the heads first. just put quench/zero deck pistons.

 

[1973dusterkid]

How much HP and TQ would it take to do a mean burnout that's what I want if I could get 400 at flywheel and about 350 at rear wheels I would be happy.I could get that with this.

Alum Heads
1.5 rockers alum
Whiplash cam
port the heads
New flat top pistons 10.1 comp run on 87octane
victor340 intake
750 carb
Long Tube headers
MSD electronic ignition

 

[1973dusterkid]

What about a Paxton Supercharger but I read some bad reviews on them.

 

[rumblefish360]

A higfh stall converter and high numeric gears will get you doing burnouts real quick.

 

[1973dusterkid]

A higfh stall converter and high numeric gears will get you doing burnouts real quick.

I know that but with highway gears what would I be looking at.

 

[moparlover]

just do a good solid build, reliable parts so you can enjoy the engine for years.

HP isnt everything if it's tempermental. do a reasonable good build, decent parts that you can afford, do the short block as best as you can since that's hard to change later.

new oil pump, 9.5:1 pistons you were talking about, best set of heads you can afford, good carb, good ignition, good cooling.

you can do burnouts with a bone stock 360... but with a good build you can do great burnouts and enjoy your project for a long time. lots of engine builders are on this site, and all kinds of info is available if you ask.

as far as superchargers (and nitrous too), if you want that engine to survive it costs bucks. dish pistons, lower comp ratio, also superchargers are very very hard on exhaust valves so you need hardened seats in the heads and top-of-the-line valves.

but even a slant 6 can do burnouts. a stock 360 no problem whatsoever.

 

[moparlover]

How much HP and TQ would it take to do a mean burnout that's what I want if I could get 400 at flywheel and about 350 at rear wheels I would be happy.I could get that with this.

Alum Heads
1.5 rockers alum
Whiplash cam
port the heads
New flat top pistons 10.1 comp run on 87octane
victor340 intake
750 carb
Long Tube headers
MSD electronic ignition

this build looks very good. head porting is good, but probably not necessary unless you are building a high RPM engine for all out drag racing. it helps, but it's expensive. most stock aluminum heads do quite well out of the box. CNC computer-driven porting is the best way since they follow a tested template and the computer will cut it just right. hand porting can be done but it's easy to ruin a set of heads if you havent done them before.

but overall the above list you put together is great. you may need to run premium gas, but if the pistons are zero-deck pistons you will have an .040 quench (head gasket thickness) so you might get away with 87 instead of 92/93 octane.

 

[1973dusterkid]

What the diff in long blocks and short blocks

 

[rumblefish360]

A short block is;

A block, crank, main caps, con rods, pistons and rings and bearings all assembled. Some places like MoPar for example will include a cam with lifters, like there 360 short block combo's.
(Sometimes, it includes a oil pan, oil pump and pick up and or a timing chain cover, but not normally.)

A long includes all the above plus completely assembled heads.

I found my MP create 10-1 short block had one problem, since corrected when they fired the builder. One bank of pistons sat higher in a graduated way from .010 to .013, driver side, low front to high rear.

Otherwise, as long as there assembled well/correctly, there normally a great deal and a great platform to which building a high performance engine from.

 

[1973dusterkid]

So on the intake what be a good intake that makes the most TQ

I know that single planes make for TQ


http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-5076/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DCC-4529408/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-2815/


other

 

[rumblefish360]

Rpm

 

[1973dusterkid]

Which one

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-7576/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-7176/

 

[rumblefish360]

The air-gap if winter/cold is not an issue.

The regular RPM if it is driven year round since it has a heat crossover to warm the engine up and improve driveabilty for year round driving.

 

[rumblefish360]

Any truth in this package 8 because they got that without stroking.


http://www.buschis-place.de/mopar_360cui_performance.htm

I spoke with this guy. He is a good dude and doesn't post bologna or chit for any reason. He needs not toot his own horn or pretend. He is not out to impress anybody.

You'll need very well done ported heads with a fat flow curve. Not just hogged out crap.

 

[rumblefish360]

Why in the, world would you build an aluminum headed motor and only run 9.5 1 compression...makes no sence

I'm with ya.

Because I want to run normal gas

Read below

Cause with that, you can probably get away with 87 octane fuel. I would try it.

Exactly.

I could run 87 octane and octane boost


Could you do 10.1 with pump gas 87oc

Run the stroker if you want and @ a 10-1 ratio, you can run 87 octane with aluminum heads. So long as the cam isn't small to tiny. LOL!
But why?

 

[1973dusterkid]

not sure if I am going to stroke it maybe later on down the road like a rebuild/revamp in a few years.

 

[DusterKrazy]

A basic 360 with the right cam, bowl ported heads and nice gears+ converter will be plenty fun.

If you went to a 408, a 650 carb is to small. The long stroke wants airflow!!

 

[moper]

Kid - what do you want out of the car and what exactly is the budget? I see only two things - pump fuel, and burnouts. A stock 360 can do that in a Dart. Right now you're kind of adrift on the web with a lot of winds blowing you from here to there. You need to put in a destination, and then we can help you get there.

 

[1973dusterkid]

I want a TQ monster that can run a mid grade 87 pump gas.

 

[moper]

Get a 360 and bolt it in.
Until you have a better idea of what you want it will do just fine and not waste your money.

 

[rumblefish360]

LOL, no doubt.

 

[1973dusterkid]

Is there another better set of heads maybe not aluminum that are good performers and under 1400 for a pair

 

[flyfish]

Get a 360 and bolt it in.
Until you have a better idea of what you want it will do just fine and not waste your money.

X 2, Excellent idea and a GREAT place to start.

 

[d5667]

These guys are telling you the straight of it.It is nice to have the WOW factor but in reality a nice running 360 with 3.23's will light em up.

 

[1973dusterkid]

something my dad says