Trying to figure out a plan of attack on my new toy

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Great looking start! While it is a 360 block, it has a 318 intake and carburetor on it. Get it running and warmed up and then run a compression test. Post back with the numbers.
 
yes it has the air cleaner...just removed to get my pics....doesnt look like the carb has an electric choke so researching carb options with electric chokes to kill 2 birds with one stone
It has an "electric assist" choke- you can tell by the wire coming from the choke well.
That's a 318 manifold and carburetor, don't know about the heads without casting numbers, valve sizes or at least a pic of the exhaust ports (318s smaller than 360s).
Git 'er runnin' first, then decide on your next steps.
 
The carb looks similar to a BBD although th enumbe doesn't match the ones in the '73 Dodge Chassis manual

This shows how the vacuum connections should be done. If the car had OSAC its now gone, and that's no loss. Connect the distributor vacuum advance directly to that port. That hose may currently be connected to the 'Air cleaner' vacuum port. That may be OK. No way to know until later. Regardless, Unused ports must be capped.

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The wire to the choke is for an electric assist. This saves a bit fuel during the warm up process. Important thing is to get that wire covered so it doesn't ground. It may or may not be protected with a fuse. Even if it is fused, that fuse protects other things too.

The bowl vent is probably a secondary vent used to collect vaports when the engine is off. Not super critical if that's what it was, but it can't just be open. It has to be inside the air cleaner, capped, or connected to the vapor collection system. Otherwise it will suck dirt into the fuel bowl. That dirt can then clog the carb passages while running.

On the driver side of the engine is the starter relay. It also serves as a junction for battery power going to the inside of the car.
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Unlike a house, many things are not fused. In fact the fuse box is not the main distribution point.
The main distribution of power comes is at a welded splice joining the alternator output and the battery.
Point is that make sure the wiring connections are good, and pay attention to the gages. Pegging gages is bad!!
 
yes it has the air cleaner...just removed to get my pics....doesnt look like the carb has an electric choke so researching carb options with electric chokes to kill 2 birds with one stone
The air cleaner may have vacuum actuated 'doors'.
 
Welcome to the site! Nice lookin' car.
One thing I can tell you beyond all doubt, your car was not a factory 383. The swan song for factory big block A bodies was 1969.
If your car is a '73, then a '72 front clip was put on it.
Give us the first 6 digits of the vin and we can tell you what it really is- If it's in need of title work, you don't want any surprises...
Make sure the dash vin matches the stamped numbers on the radiator yoke, there are also numbers stamped under the trunk seal.
'73 Dart front end:
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I was going to "guess" just this

Wander over to MyMopar and you can download (2 volumes) a factory service manual for free. Chassis, and body manual
 
here are some good resources from Chrysler

Index and Html format
Master Technician Service Conference - Chrysler's Training for Mechanics

MyMopar has the same in pdf formats but not as a good of an index
It also has a many digitized service manuals.
Those are worth having. You can both buy paper and better digitized versions but those will get you started.

The master tech series covers everything from carburetor fundemental concepts to specific issues with emissions controls, and much much more.

There's a little bit of background on 1973 wiring here
 

The bowl vent is probably a secondary vent used to collect vaports when the engine is off. Not super critical if that's what it was, but it can't just be open. It has to be inside the air cleaner, capped, or connected to the vapor collection system. Otherwise it will suck dirt into the fuel bowl. That dirt can then clog the carb passages while running.
I don't think you want to outright "cap" the bowl vent- earlier versions of the carb vented to atmosphere; the hose fitting was added for emissions clean up. It will work fine with it open, but like you say, you don't want dirt getting in there, so maybe a piece of mesh or filter paper over the end of the fitting and held in place with a short piece of hose...?
But capping it completely could play havoc with your fuel level in the bowl.
 
I don't think you want to outright "cap" the bowl vent- earlier versions of the carb vented to atmosphere; the hose fitting was added for emissions clean up. It will work fine with it open, but like you say, you don't want dirt getting in there, so maybe a piece of mesh or filter paper over the end of the fitting and held in place with a short piece of hose...?
But capping it completely could play havoc with your fuel level in the bowl.
I *think* that port is on the outside of the air cleaner and went to the vapor collection system. So there still should be an vent inside the air cleaner housing for running. If not, then it is critical to have it open and I agree a filter over it would be a good idea.
 
just picked up today a 73 dodge dart that was advertised as a 318....well i get home and decode the vin and it says it came with a 383...well i was all excited but i was told the engine was swapped...so i went under the hood and looked at the stamped numbers on the block...
comes back as the following

4179930 – 1975 – 1993, 360 LA-series small-block

so i bought this car as a fixer upper not running..they said it needed a carb...i am not worried after 50 plus years things change...so i got to make all this right...this block has a carter 0-2361 carb on it ...what i dont know is did they change the short block and reuse the 318 stuff or all 360 stuff...so how would you all attack this to make it all a go...i dont even know if the carter 2361 is the right carb for the 360...do i need to look for the part number on the heads? will that change anything...just trying to get focused on a plan of attack...any guidance would be appreaciated...

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If the engine has good compression and oil pressure and you only want to have fun with it, I'd put a edelbrock performer intake with a 650 carburetor, headers and good flowing exhaust system, 3.55 gears. Torque cam. Curve kit and you'll have a fun car. By the way, it's a nice car.
 
Makes sure it stops first. Go over the entire brake system. What does the brake fluid look like. What do the brake lines look like? Not as glamorous as getting it running, but stopping is important. You WILL want to drive it once it runs. Make it stop first.
 
If the engine has good compression and oil pressure and you only want to have fun with it, I'd put a edelbrock performer intake with a 650 carburetor, headers and good flowing exhaust system, 3.55 gears. Torque cam. Curve kit and you'll have a fun car. By the way, it's a nice car.


this car is just to have fun in...i have no intention in racing it...too crazy out there to think about doing that...i did my time at the track in the past...i love your plan of attack...i am going to try and read the numbers on the pass side of the block today to see if i can further identify the year so i know what i have...also gonna see if i can identify the heads...see if they are 318 or 360 heads....hoping they did a long block when it was swapped...thanks for the comp...when i saw this car for sale online it talked to me...something about it said must come home with me...hoping it has a good engine but if not i will drop another engine in it and go have my fun...
 
Makes sure it stops first. Go over the entire brake system. What does the brake fluid look like. What do the brake lines look like? Not as glamorous as getting it running, but stopping is important. You WILL want to drive it once it runs. Make it stop first.


That is something that is very important to me and am planning on going thru it very carefully...i know ya still gotta stop this ol girl...glad to see it has a power brake booster and i saw it has front disc brakes...once i get it running ill have a better sense on how good it works...The kid i bought the car from didnt know where the wheel lock key was so gonna have fun getting all the lugs off but that is minor...already have a plan of attack for that....I am not planning on building a beast...i just want what is in the car to be happy...leads to dependability...i figure if it has 318 heads then i am will source some 360 heads and get everything proper...all matching...we shall see
 
If the engine has good compression and oil pressure and you only want to have fun with it, I'd put a edelbrock performer intake with a 650 carburetor, headers and good flowing exhaust system, 3.55 gears. Torque cam. Curve kit and you'll have a fun car. By the way, it's a nice car.


is the holley 4150 the carb of choice for this...trying to figure out the part number so i know what i am looking for..thanks
 
I’d probably pop a valve cover off to get the casting number off the heads........ so you know what you’re really working with.
 
I'd start by seeing if the engine is good or bad. Will it start and doesn't everything work good enough to see if you can bring it up to operating temperature with a oil pressure gauge on it? One of my concerns would be how they did the 318 to 360 swap. What transmission is in the car and did they install a 360 matching convertor, or maybe a B&M 360 flex plate? Does it have a 360 balancer? The pulleys and belts are set up all wrong. They probably tried to remove the A/C stuff and still use the A/C pulleys and brackets as a non-A/C setup. Doesn't work right doing that. You need all non-A/C parts there to make it right. Usually, the alternator belt runs off the crank and water pump, and the P/S goes straight to the crank pulley on a non-A/C car. Is the long block all 360 with 318 parts from the original engine added? If 360 heads, that's a bit of a mismatch on the intake. It'll work, just not optimally. The carb is a 318 2bbl Carter BBD made for smog use. The carb number you posted is probably a casting number. Those carbs didn't have an I.D. number stamped into the carb itself. It just had an aluminum I.D. tag under one of the top screws. If it's missing, not way to tell exactly what it came off of. Probably the original one from the 318, but, no way to know for sure. With headers and a nod toward getting some street performance, I'd swap in a 4bbl aluminum intake that matches the head ports, and a 650 CFM carb. 318 heads on a 360 is not a problem on a street car. The valves and ports are a bit smaller, but, if you're not trying for max performance, they will work fine. Once you get the year code and/or casting/stamping numbers off the major engine parts, you know what year to use in ordering parts. What you do with the heater suitcase is up to you! :lol: Looks like the whole thing is missing. I'd get another one just to get the heater and defroster to work even if you don't want to get the A/C working again. Once you find out what you have in the engine, you can decide if it matches the rest of the car and if it's what you want for a street machine. Oh, and on a street car, I would hook up the vacuum advance to the carb correctly. the hose from the vacuum advance can on the distributor needs to attach to the capped port next to the choke rod.
 
I’d probably pop a valve cover off to get the casting number off the heads........ so you know what you’re really working with.


i popped off a valve cover and saw 2 dif sets of numbers..

360
4071051

so i assume since it is stamped 360 they are heads from a 360...probably did a long block...someone earlier stated it had a 318 intake and a 318 carb...is that good or bad knowing the long block is a 360

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Part numbers are your friend and most can be found by doing a search here or on google
 
Part numbers are your friend and most can be found by doing a search here or on google


have been using the part number to search here and the web...just reporting my findings ...still working towards trying to start the car...doing all the normal checks before attempting it
 
i popped off a valve cover and saw 2 dif sets of numbers..

360
4071051

so i assume since it is stamped 360 they are heads from a 360...probably did a long block...someone earlier stated it had a 318 intake and a 318 carb...is that good or bad knowing the long block is a 360

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I don't see any 360 stamping, but, it appears to have 360 cast in the head. The actual 7 digit casting number along with the date code casting, will narrow it down a lot more as to what you have head-wise. Looks like it's probably late 70's and pretty clean inside, so, that is optimistic. The 318 intake and carb would be better for mileage rather than performance. Kind of a waste using headers with that setup.
 
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