When did chrysler use a removable bell on an automatic

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Long story short my old man bought a bunch of junk b an rb engines.
One of them had an aluminum bell on it. When he pulled it off he realized it didnt have a spot for a clutch fork and there was a torque converter inside of it.
I know there were a handful of autos before the torqueflite but Im unaware of any automatic built to fit an rb.

Ill post pics as soon as my phone is charged.
 
Fluid drives, cast iron torqueflite, or 2 speed powerflite, 40- 50's ended 61 .
Shouldn't those be cast Iron? he claims this engine is a 413. So this would have to be a 60 to be on a 413 right? I suppose If its a 350B,361B or 383Rb it would have the same bell pattern.
 
Boy, that's stretching my memory.
I think the bells were same, and seems to me, iirc, Aluminum.
I gotta do brakes and electical on a 46 next week, I'll try to remember to look.
Cheers .
 
You sure its not an aftermarket bell WE GOTS TA HAVE PITTURES!!!
 
Its an oldie
looks like generator instead of alternator.

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1962 was the first 727. 1961 back had removable bell housing. They are not all the same, 1959-1961 BB engine the bellhousings are solid, 1958 have large screens on the bellhousings for vents. And 1957-1958 have a thick aluminum plate between the block and the bellhousings.

Torque converter has 8 studs that go through the crank flange and they take nuts and washers.

Sercive manual assembly instructions: bolt the converter on the crank, then the bell housing, and then stab the trans into it.

photos from 1958 Chrysler service manual

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Never seen one in my life lol …… Never seen a 1977 Mercury Cougar station wagon either , till I saw one ….. Or a factory Diesel engine in a 1980 Lincoln Mark , till I did ! I love stuff like this !
 
Pre-62 A, B, Hemi and poly motors all had extended flange cranks and aluminum bellhousings. This doesn't include the early Chrysler Hemis that had the upper bellhousing that was actually part of the block casting. (Edit - some if not all fluid drive semi-automatic trannies had cast iron bellhousings; AFAIK, all pre-62 Torqueflite and Powerflite trannies had aluminum bellhousings)

My 56 Plymouth, 277 poly (basically a 318 poly with shorter stroke and smaller bore) has an aluminum plate bolted to the block, aluminum bellhousing bolted to that aluminum plate, and a 2-speed Powerflite with a cast iron main case and aluminum extension housing. Late in the 56 model year, Powerflites got aluminum cases.

56 was the first year for the three-speed Torqueflite (and, yes, that's what it was called). That year only available in Chryslers and Imperials, it became available across the board in 57. It bolted to the aluminum bellhousing, had a cast iron case from its introduction through the last year in 61. Not sure if all motors had the aluminum adapter plate bolted to the block.

In all these early Powerflites and Torqueflites, the torque converter bolted to the crank with eight bolts. Then the bellhousing is installed over that, and then the trans input shaft is carefully inserted into the torque converter as the transmission is slid into place.

The Powerflite in my 56 is air cooled, so has no tranny lines to the radiator. Instead, there are fins on the torque converter acting as fans, and the bellhousing has large screened areas to allow the flow of air across the converter Not sure if any Torqueflites are air cooled. Some Powerflites I believe are water cooled.

62 was the first year for the aluminum 727 Torqueflite, in the "modern" configuration of bellhousing integral with the main transmission case, torque converter slips into the trans, then trans is bolted to the motor, then the converter is bolted to the flex plate, which is bolted to the crank. Powerflite was dropped for 62. Slant sixes got aluminum 904 Torqueflite trans beginning in 1960.

1958 was the first year for the B big block, in 350 and 361 inch versions. 383 was introduced in 59, as was the 413 - available at first only in Chrysler New Yorkers and 300s. (Edit - and Imperials)

A 413 with an aluminum bellhousing and a torque converter bolted to the crank has to be a 59, 60 or 61.

FYI, I have a 64 Chrysler 413 engine hooked up to a 62 Chrysler 300 non-letter car aluminum Torqueflite in my 59 Dodge, hooked up to the original 59 Torqueflite pushbuttons. The aluminum Torqueflite is stronger and lighter than the old cast iron Torqueflite.

The rear of the pre-62 318 poly blocks is different than their later cousins, making it difficult if not impossible to swap cranks and run the later trans. Not sure about the big blocks.
 
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Let me add that a 61 413 would have had an alternator, so the generator on this one means it's a 59 or 60.

Valiants got an alternator in 60, but the bigger cars didn't get one until 61.
 
I love this picture below of the AFB and no secondary air velocity valve that I have been told a half dozen times here it never existed, never made that way and I don’t know what I’m talking about.

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I love this picture below of the AFB and no secondary air velocity valve that I have been told a half dozen times here it never existed, never made that way and I don’t know what I’m talking about.

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Yeah, I have a couple of early AFB's that don't have the secondary air velocity valve. Trick is that the throttle bores are small enough that the carb can get by with fully manually controlled secondaries.
 
Yes it seems the small cfm AFB didn’t have them.

here is a 1960 413 carb no provisions for one to fit in there.

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Just a note on post #18, the first 383 was a raised block version, not the more commonly known 383 B low block engine. of the mid-late 60's.
 
The cars that had the cast iron PF & TF [ 1961 was the was the last year ] had studs coming out of the c'ter that bolted to the crank flange, nuts put on from the engine side of the flange. There a short coupling with sealing rings on it that coupled the c'ter hydraulically to the front pump. You can imagine how precise the machining would need to be for everything to match up...
The windowed bell housing openings were used with the PF, the c'ter was air cooled hence the openings. C'ter had external fins to generate air flow.
 
Just a note on post #18, the first 383 was a raised block version, not the more commonly known 383 B low block engine. of the mid-late 60's.

That is not correct. There indeed was a raised deck (RB) version of the 383 in 59, used in lower line Chryslers. It had the 3.75 stroke of the 413, with a smaller 4.03 bore.

The Dodge 383, however, was the low deck B engine, same 4.25 inch bore and 3.38 stroke as every low deck 383.

Not sure which 383 the DeSoto used. Plymouth did not get the 383 in 59; top engine option for it was the 361 4-barrel.
 
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