Why the changes to the LD4B?

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Below, the first 7 pictures are of a modified LD-340 with the center divider milled dwon as per the DC/MP booksrecomendations. The sides of the carb flange were filled in for a better sealing surface. You can still see where the divider was making this a dual plane intake. This mod worked well with, higher rpm camshafts and the like mods needed with them. Low end torque was improved over the single plane intakes but not by a margin work talking about since that rpm area is largely ignored by the bigger camshaft.
It was a neat trick. Looks like a dual plane, explodes in power up top.
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Below is a "Down the throat" biz end of a M1 single and an Indy intake. All the cylinders feed into a common plenum with as straight as possible runners. I posted these two intakes to show the carb pad, air entry design differences. The Indy (Bottom) is very tall, with a square carb entry for as close to an equal runner length, shared plenum area, as close as possible balanced air and fuel intake charge with a smoother entry from the carb.

The MP - M1 has the spreadbore carb opening for use with the TQ. While the intake has been used for decades with much success, to use with a Holley carb requires the use of plenum floor dams and/or a modified recontoured, welded up intake pad. A worthy modification alebit expensive to the point of it would be better to get another intake. (But thats up to you.)

now also pay attention to how the carb pad enters the plenum. Note the sharp turns into the runners. Not the best. Compare to the Indy intake below with the more gentle and smoother radius turn into the runner.
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A pair of single plane W2 intakes.
MoPar on the left, Holley Street Dominator on the right.

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The best and straightest runner available is a tunnel ram pictured below, which can also be seen as a single plane intake.
(This one needs a minor port matching.)
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So there are at least 3 versions of the LD4B. Small flange no MOPAR PN, small flange MOPAR PN, and large flange MOPAR PN. On my small flange intake the center divider was removed by a previous owner, I don't think it was done by Edelbrock.
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I measured a D4B, and 2 LD4Bs with out and with MOPAR PN. All the ports are very close to the same dim. I could not see any real difference in any of the ports.
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I don't want to tread on toes on this thread but it relates to the LD4B so I will post here...

Does anyone know the difference between an LD4B and the late Mopar dual plane intake? Was it a derivative or evolution of the LD4B? Or maybe a modified casting?

I recently bought this as an M1 and it is a late casting as it has the smaller thermostat (1986 and up I think). These are not easily available in Australia and not cheap either and some sellers have over $700 price tags. No part number, nothing except "Mopar" on the top. It has same port sizes as in the pictures above (1.06 x 1.9"). It has a choke well, exhaust crossover and is a cross between a square bore and spread bore. So it look like a square bore but the carb 'slots' taper from 1.4" at the front to 1.7" at the back. The picture (sorry it's small) shows an earlier M1 with the 66-84 thermostat, no choke well and square bore carb flange.

Maybe mine is the 'smog' version. Does anyone know? Thanks

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Oh good lord! The MP - M1 is an aluminum casting of the OE intake. It is not a version of any Edelbrock.
 
I don't want to tread on toes on this thread but it relates to the LD4B so I will post here...

Does anyone know the difference between an LD4B and the late Mopar dual plane intake? Was it a derivative or evolution of the LD4B? Or maybe a modified casting?

I recently bought this as an M1 and it is a late casting as it has the smaller thermostat (1986 and up I think). These are not easily available in Australia and not cheap either and some sellers have over $700 price tags. No part number, nothing except "Mopar" on the top. It has same port sizes as in the pictures above (1.06 x 1.9"). It has a choke well, exhaust crossover and is a cross between a square bore and spread bore. So it look like a square bore but the carb 'slots' taper from 1.4" at the front to 1.7" at the back. The picture (sorry it's small) shows an earlier M1 with the 66-84 thermostat, no choke well and square bore carb flange.

Maybe mine is the 'smog' version. Does anyone know? Thanks

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Your M1 has a lower profile than the LD4B and the runners don't look the same either. Like said, not even close to the Edelbrock.
 
Your M1 has a lower profile than the LD4B and the runners don't look the same either. Like said, not even close to the Edelbrock.
thanks Lelo, well that's a bit disappointing. I'm glad I didn't pay that $740 price then!! Mine was new, as in never been used, from a private seller, paid A$250, so I still got a good price but now looks like it is not the great manifold I thought I was getting. And after a second inspection it does not look as high as a stock 340 manifold either. It is going on my mild 273. Interesting about the carb flange pattern, as I said, the slots go from 1.7" to 1.4". Does anyone know the story behind that? It is designed for the later LA engines so what carb were these designed for? Thanks
 
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Oi, that carb pad is the stingiest use of aluminum. Not even a flange for a carb gasket wider than 5mm? Don't even try and put a 4010 holley on that without a base plate and 2 gaakets. The 4010 base looks like a pane of stained glass with so many casting webs. Not a square centimeter of solid metal in the middle.
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Oi, that carb pad is the stingiest use of aluminum. Not even a flange for a carb gasket wider than 5mm? Don't even try and put a 4010 holley on that without a base plate and 2 gaakets. The 4010 base looks like a pane of stained glass with so many casting webs. Not a square centimeter of solid metal in the middle.
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Yes I see what you mean. But I intend to use an old Carter AFB (now Edelbrock) 500 or 550 cfm. It seems to fit on the pad ok from just a quick size up.
 

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