2015 SRT Barracuda- who is saving up for one?
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Woods74
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I can see it now: The year is 2016, and the top google search in the 'Is it gay if I' category is:
"Is it gay if I own a Fiat Barracuda SRT?"
"Is it gay if I own a Fiat Barracuda SRT?"
The problem is that the top of the line $50,000 SRT Challenger stacks up just about even with a plain-jane $30,000 Mustang GT on the strip and gets humiliated on the back roads...the performance bang:buck is easy to figure out.
I'll grant that the Challenger looks better but the '10-'12 Mustang bodystyle is one of my all time favorite Ford designs (they ugly'd it up a bit for 2013
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Here's my 2011 before I installed the Boss front splitter...the body lines are great on these cars, IMO.
I'll grant that the Challenger looks better but the '10-'12 Mustang bodystyle is one of my all time favorite Ford designs (they ugly'd it up a bit for 2013
)Here's my 2011 before I installed the Boss front splitter...the body lines are great on these cars, IMO.
cannucky
The Guy With No Birthday
First off Nobody at Ma Mopar has ever said the new barracuda will look like that blue rendering . What they have said is that it will most likely be on a new midsize Maseratti platform and will take it's styling cues from the first gen barracudas , if you look through Maseratti's past 4 passenger cars you will see several that embrace the wrap over back window which is what I would expect to see in a car that takes it's styling cues from the first gen fish bowl cars , what they do with the front end remains to be seen but the challenger / charger oval with the cross in it is a pretty good bet in my book , put a 6.2 or better yet a 426 hemi with a blower and hell yes I am in , if you love the mustangs so much well put on your dress and go buy one . and I'll put my 69 fastback up against any 12 second turd ever built .
If your car is stock, you're out of your mind, if you want to talk modded vs. modded, you're out of your mind.
I'm loyal to the death to classic Mopars but even the regular GTs are a $7k bolt-on blower away from 10s. Guys had these cars in the 8s within two months of the Coyote hitting the streets.
Sorry but as great as the classics still are, you just can't beat the march of technology. Modern cars have built upon everything good from the muscle era and added 40 years of refinement. The only disadvantage is the weight of all of the safety crap, most of which can be earily removed if you want to get serious.
That said, if I had to let go of my Dart or my Mustang, the Mustang would go bye bye first.
1973dusterkid
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tekslk
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I talked with several mopar dealers and we may not even see the car. If we do the first 6 months it will be 10-15 over sticker, Im gonna try to get one and take it to auction I can stand to make that kind of money If I can buy it right.
74DartSwinger360
The Brat Pack
One of the most ugliest cars ever. Its like a big wedge and looks rediculous and it will probably have a Fiat motor no matter what they say.
I know I would never save up for that POS
I know I would never save up for that POS
hotrodhoodlum
X Nostalgia Drag Racer
New means nothing to me. For the cash imagine the real classic Mopar you could buy .
cannucky
The Guy With No Birthday
Good luck with that , those that tried that with the Chally's around here got a big surprise , i thought a triple black 500 edition { the Canadian special edition } would go too high so I backed out on bidding , it was for the Childrens Hospital and went 10K under sticker in a sealed bid silent auction , 2 other guys got them from the mainland at sticker after the dealers tried the same thing and nobody bit . Like I said above if it's got the blown Hemi I'm in if not I'll wait a year or 2 till they up the power ala the Challenger .
longarm
Car sold back to original owners
I'll be the first to argue that cars from 1964-1970s were just about perfect. Styling, size, driving pleasure...all unbeatable. But for those of you guys comparing the money you would spend on a 2015 Barracuda versus a classic...I think this is a mistake and that these cars should be kept seperate. We own them for different purposes.
If you insist on comparing, tthere are a few things to consider:
Practicality- Modern muscle car can be driven every day, like they were intended...not sealed away in a garage like an exotic car. New Muscle machines have a warranty, run fine on today's crappy gasoline, will get 25+mpg, and still make you grin like an idiot on your daily commute. Even my 318 Dart (a utilitarian/cheap car in its day) is far too inefficient to drive on a daily basis and far too precious to me to leave unattended in a parking lot all day.
Performance- No classic will keep up with a modern car. Stock versus stock, the average current gen SS Camaro beats a 440+6 Roadrunner on slicks, an average Mustang GT spanks a Hemi Roadrunner and each does it on less than half the fuel. Yes, you can cram a forced induction/big block into anything and run crazy times but you'll have a one of a kind freak of nature...which is a great thing but it certainly loses utility as a car. Plus, if so inclined, you can also cram a blower onto any of the current gen (some of which even include a warranty).
Handling- I LOVE the way an old torsion bar Mopar handles. They're predicable and relatively well balanced and still incredibly comfortable...but let's be honest; a modern Corolla would have been a super car in 1967 and my Mustang drives like a space ship compared to the Dart. No joke. As soon as the road deviates from straight, the performance of modern cars blows away the classics.
Braking- while you can make arguments that engine tech has made huge leaps, brakes have made and even bigger leap. Modern cars stop hard and do it again and again and again without fade. The brakes on my Brembo Brake Package Mustang are insanely good...not even considering the ABS thing.
Safety- no need to go into this here...but I'd much rather put my wife and kids (if I had either) into a 2012 Challenger than a 1970...your consideration of this factor may vary.
Most importantly- Actually buying one- Maybe you guys are all great with your cash and have $20,000- $40,000 sitting around, waiting to be spent on a toy but I'd bet that most of us A-Body guys are not in that boat. Meanwhile, you can finance a new muscle car and justify/rationalize the purchase since it will be getting your butt to work and back. It also helps that they hold their resale value better than the average car so you don't get hammered when you trade it in.
So the right answer is to have one of each. Buy a classic Barracuda to tinker with and drive on the weekends, buy a modern one to drive to work!
If you insist on comparing, tthere are a few things to consider:
Practicality- Modern muscle car can be driven every day, like they were intended...not sealed away in a garage like an exotic car. New Muscle machines have a warranty, run fine on today's crappy gasoline, will get 25+mpg, and still make you grin like an idiot on your daily commute. Even my 318 Dart (a utilitarian/cheap car in its day) is far too inefficient to drive on a daily basis and far too precious to me to leave unattended in a parking lot all day.
Performance- No classic will keep up with a modern car. Stock versus stock, the average current gen SS Camaro beats a 440+6 Roadrunner on slicks, an average Mustang GT spanks a Hemi Roadrunner and each does it on less than half the fuel. Yes, you can cram a forced induction/big block into anything and run crazy times but you'll have a one of a kind freak of nature...which is a great thing but it certainly loses utility as a car. Plus, if so inclined, you can also cram a blower onto any of the current gen (some of which even include a warranty).
Handling- I LOVE the way an old torsion bar Mopar handles. They're predicable and relatively well balanced and still incredibly comfortable...but let's be honest; a modern Corolla would have been a super car in 1967 and my Mustang drives like a space ship compared to the Dart. No joke. As soon as the road deviates from straight, the performance of modern cars blows away the classics.
Braking- while you can make arguments that engine tech has made huge leaps, brakes have made and even bigger leap. Modern cars stop hard and do it again and again and again without fade. The brakes on my Brembo Brake Package Mustang are insanely good...not even considering the ABS thing.
Safety- no need to go into this here...but I'd much rather put my wife and kids (if I had either) into a 2012 Challenger than a 1970...your consideration of this factor may vary.
Most importantly- Actually buying one- Maybe you guys are all great with your cash and have $20,000- $40,000 sitting around, waiting to be spent on a toy but I'd bet that most of us A-Body guys are not in that boat. Meanwhile, you can finance a new muscle car and justify/rationalize the purchase since it will be getting your butt to work and back.
It also helps that they hold their resale value better than the average car so you don't get hammered when you trade it in.So the right answer is to have one of each. Buy a classic Barracuda to tinker with and drive on the weekends, buy a modern one to drive to work!
Get it right?
They did not get the original dual exhaust tips on it with two rectangle outlets per side.
No slapstick, just the lame "AUTOSTICK" that will shift if you don't... To protect you from yourself...
And the scoops in the hood are too narrow, not like the originals.
If you are going to copy something, do it right.
abodyjoe
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Your nuts. The only one the hit it dead on was ford with the 05 mustang. The challenger is just goofy looking. Too big and too flat looking and too under performing. Not to mention way too late.
69DartMatt
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Airwoofer - me and my dad are really good friends with our local Dodge dealer. Mainly cause we have bought every car we have owned from them and I dated the parts manager's daughter along time ago. Anyway, we were there about a month ago and he told us a guy came in a few days before we did with a 2012 SRT Challenger he bought and wanted to know if they had a supercharger kit from Mopar for it. The owner of the Challenger said he had been searching for an aftermarket kit, but no one had one. So the Dodge parts manager calls up Dodge and asked and dodge basically told him "No one has a supercharger kit because we have not released the engine specs to the performance companies that make aftermarket parts. Dodge plans to make a 2013 Challanger that will have the 392 Hemi with a supercharger option." So hopefully we will see if this is true in the upcoming year.
abodyjoe
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In all category's ? Ya know quarter mile, top speed, in the corners, highway cruising,stopping , mpg and comfort?
Gonna need a ton of money to get a 69 fb to compete with the new stang,Chally or camaro that's for sure.
Keep in mind that they weren't making an exact replica. If they were, it was a replica of some alternate universe C-Body based Challenger that we all forgot about.
Secondly, these cars are hampered by the need to pull parts from what they had available on the shelf...including the platform itself which is a 15 year old Benz platform. The transmission is also part of that problem...they don't have anything like a "slapstick" ready to go. Fortunately, they got the Tremec 6060 up and running by the second model year.
Keep in mind that the "S197" Mustang is based on a late 1990s Lincoln LS platform and the Camaro is based on a nearly as old Australian Holden Monaro.
The good news about the possible new Barracuda (like the next Mustang) is that they're designing new RWD architecture from the ground up...which almost certainly means smaller size, modern materials (read: light weight), high rigidity, optimized suspension geometry, etc. It has potential to be a cutting edge platform.
The presence of a 6.2L/SC Hemi in the new Barracuda has been a consistent rumor. I'm concerned that they may not offer a more "affordable" smaller Hemi, comparable to the R/T Challenger...or that the affordable versions might be turbo 4 cyl. and Pentastar V6 powered..which would be tragic.
It's called Retro Styling and not remake the old car. Lets face it, and use your heads and stop crying like spoiled brats that didn't get the exact car discontinued decades ago. The idea of the Challenger was to re-make a old classic into a modern version with a cue or two from the old car. There is no possible way the company could turn a profit selling a discontinued decades old car. It would be a world wide laughing stock.
Sometimes a radical change is good. While I'd love to see the metal change for the Challenger into a Cuda done or even a Charger platform used for the Cuda, it may not happen. IF the new Cuda is a total change, the only thing you can hope for is that it lives up to it's old name as a performer. This need not mandate a V-8. Heck, if it was available with a pressurized V-6 and ran a high 12 and gets 30 MPG's, hell, I'd call it a winner.
I own a '73-4spd Cuda for about 25 years now. I'd love a retro job like the other guys did. IF it actually happened, I'd be really grateful.
Also, LOL at those who thing the Mustang was a miss. There selling like hot cakes and being made just to make because they know they'll sell'em. IDK about the Camaro. I don't see to many my way. I think the car ugly. I think the Mustang a home run for Ford, a job really very well done.
Mr.GTX, I'm with you on a affordable HEMI option. I think they charge a bit much. What else is new, right? I know the engine doesn't cost that much. They just like to beat up on people's wallet. They give the B.S. line, "Well, performance costs money, so you pay" (....through the nose.)
There installing HEMI's every day in the truck dang it! How much can it be?
Sometimes a radical change is good. While I'd love to see the metal change for the Challenger into a Cuda done or even a Charger platform used for the Cuda, it may not happen. IF the new Cuda is a total change, the only thing you can hope for is that it lives up to it's old name as a performer. This need not mandate a V-8. Heck, if it was available with a pressurized V-6 and ran a high 12 and gets 30 MPG's, hell, I'd call it a winner.
I own a '73-4spd Cuda for about 25 years now. I'd love a retro job like the other guys did. IF it actually happened, I'd be really grateful.
Also, LOL at those who thing the Mustang was a miss. There selling like hot cakes and being made just to make because they know they'll sell'em. IDK about the Camaro. I don't see to many my way. I think the car ugly. I think the Mustang a home run for Ford, a job really very well done.
Mr.GTX, I'm with you on a affordable HEMI option. I think they charge a bit much. What else is new, right? I know the engine doesn't cost that much. They just like to beat up on people's wallet. They give the B.S. line, "Well, performance costs money, so you pay" (....through the nose.)
There installing HEMI's every day in the truck dang it! How much can it be?
I'm with ya Joe. However, I am just glad there making them.
abodyjoe
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Should be glad. The horse power wars are back. Shame fiat/Chrysler is dead last as usual.
Good insights here...but as I understand it, the 6.4L "SRT 392" motor doesn't lend itself to forced induction...the 5.7L version does take boost well and the older 6.1L may be ok for forced induction as well... but the 6.4, while amazing in stock form, is supposedly maxed out due to one component or another...it might be crank or the connecting rods.
So if what you heard is true, I'd expect the SC 392 to have revised internals.
Very glad about the HP again. In the truck department, it is a torque war. Amazing power there. The problem, IMO, is the 5.7 is to small for the task at hand, AKA heavy car.
Fiat was in the war......????????
Naa...5.7 is a great motor...the packages that it comes in are too big.
How amazing would this motor be in a car the size of an A-Body?
What kind of performance do the converted cars put down? I suspect a stock 5.7 with the right gears in a Duster would be a high 12s car. :glasses7:
Back in the 60's-70's mopar domainated the tracks but thats not to say every mopar won every race.But the top dog 426 hemi lead the way and everything else was just a car so to speak,however the 340 cars had a VERY good street rep.Like today there is always going to be a top engine on paper and it will perform well at the tracks(if your in to that),and then there will be the engines that tear up the streets.I also think performance engines is like cell phones,all the car companies can produce 700hp motor but they relese,as mopar, the 5.7 at 335hp then bumped to 340 then 350 now with the VVT its at 370hp and the 6.1 is 425 and the list goes on.If they would have relesed the 5.7 at 370hp in the beginning they would have to build on that and lose years of new releases.I don't agree with that practice but every manufacturer does it.Ever notice how fast a computer is "out dated" about every two years.So either they are incredable genius' or they already had that product ready for the next big release.
Also I think that chrysler is VERY concerned with someone killing themselves and sueing chrysler and thats why the cars weigh so much and are under powered(safey features)compared to the "top" cars from other factories.It was years after the 5.7 came out before the computer code was accesible to put a SUPERCHIP or DIABLOSPORT PREDATOR in the car and I don't think chrysler was too happy about it.
Also I think that chrysler is VERY concerned with someone killing themselves and sueing chrysler and thats why the cars weigh so much and are under powered(safey features)compared to the "top" cars from other factories.It was years after the 5.7 came out before the computer code was accesible to put a SUPERCHIP or DIABLOSPORT PREDATOR in the car and I don't think chrysler was too happy about it.
abodyjoe
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Know of a 69 b-body with a stock 5.7 and mellow gears the was going mid 13's. think he was spinning the tires too.
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