GEO
Sarcasm Inc.
They could at least delete all his for sale ads and ban him from posting any more stuff for sale:wack:
Problem with ply30 member
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They could at least delete all his for sale ads and ban him from posting any more stuff for sale:wack:
im stunned to see this guy still selling( shame on you FABO) and replying to for sale ads. I would be so embarased to ever show my face again but yet he is still selling away.
if i come on here causing a bunch of havoc and other non stop crap and i would not heed the warnings then eventually enough would be enough and they would ban me correct ??
After all this member has done to get this part and how many other members have had issues its pretty clear this guy is (at least not at this time) NOT a creditable seller and should NOT be allowed to carry on "business as usual"
again shame on you FABO for letting this guy continue to sell parts here. UGHHH he is still selling and "collecting" money but cant get this guy his money back.
Bulldozer
free ice cream sandwiches
unfortunately , sometimes , It takes a lot of pissed off members through shady deals to get someone banned from selling. there was another member that used to rip people off left and right that continued on for a long time before he was finally banned. and to top it off he would send people threatening and harassing PM's for calling him out. I explained to downsr how to leave feedback , so maybe that will at least help get the word out.
I know it seems simple to you guys -- but there are reasons this policy is in place. And, it is a policy that is in the classified ad rules, not something I made up yesterday.
You have to look at it from my position. I have to have a policy that applies in all cases.
For starters, I cant really know who did what to who and when. This person says he did this, this one says that. The FABO staff are not investigators, nor do I want them to be.
Out of the times people have complained so n so ripped them off, 9 times out of ten we eventually learn to find out it was some misunderstanding or something out of the other person's control. One guy, who people were screaming for me to ban because he stiffed several people, had a freaking heart attack and that's why he didn't get stuff out. He made good as soon as he could. Once, the complainer had given the seller the wrong address, and that caused a big delay in shipping. Point being, things aren't always as they appear. In all those cases people demanded that I ban the member.
I also want to point out that, to this day, ply30 has no negative feedback, not even from the op. I see a few people in this thread complaining about him being slow at times, why didn't you leave any negative feedback about him? Look at the first page, several people are talking about how ply30 is a good guy and always delivered.
In fact, people rarely leave negative feedback for anyone. And probably half the time they do they ask for it to be removed.
Anytime you do transactions like this, be it here or on another website, you are at risk of being burned. This is why people use things like Paypal, so that there is SOME level of protection should things go wrong. I don't want anyone to get burned, and it rarely happens that people actually get burned.
I know this looks cut and dried to you guys, and I understand why. Over the years I have learned, its usually NOT so cut and dried.
You have to look at it from my position. I have to have a policy that applies in all cases.
For starters, I cant really know who did what to who and when. This person says he did this, this one says that. The FABO staff are not investigators, nor do I want them to be.
Out of the times people have complained so n so ripped them off, 9 times out of ten we eventually learn to find out it was some misunderstanding or something out of the other person's control. One guy, who people were screaming for me to ban because he stiffed several people, had a freaking heart attack and that's why he didn't get stuff out. He made good as soon as he could. Once, the complainer had given the seller the wrong address, and that caused a big delay in shipping. Point being, things aren't always as they appear. In all those cases people demanded that I ban the member.
I also want to point out that, to this day, ply30 has no negative feedback, not even from the op. I see a few people in this thread complaining about him being slow at times, why didn't you leave any negative feedback about him? Look at the first page, several people are talking about how ply30 is a good guy and always delivered.
In fact, people rarely leave negative feedback for anyone. And probably half the time they do they ask for it to be removed.
Anytime you do transactions like this, be it here or on another website, you are at risk of being burned. This is why people use things like Paypal, so that there is SOME level of protection should things go wrong. I don't want anyone to get burned, and it rarely happens that people actually get burned.
I know this looks cut and dried to you guys, and I understand why. Over the years I have learned, its usually NOT so cut and dried.
all cases are not the same and general rules that try to cover most cases don't always work for every case. No matter how many good sales he has had in the past or might have going right now or even good/bad feedback we have all seen this played out and you guys know even more behind the scenes. I'm pretty sure we all know what going on here with this guy and for some reason (at least right now )he has issues with doing the right thing for more than one of his customers.
I don't believe anything is cut and dry ( even general rules) and Good things happen to good people sometimes and we understand that But Irregardless of rules right is right his guy should not be allowed to sell any more stuff until he clears up some of his current issues.
I don't believe anything is cut and dry ( even general rules) and Good things happen to good people sometimes and we understand that But Irregardless of rules right is right his guy should not be allowed to sell any more stuff until he clears up some of his current issues.
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Restrict, sanction, prohibit, selling his stuff on this board .
ebay even has policies in place to suspend you indefinately if your a bad seller.
A policy should be in place for problem sellers on this forum.
inkjunkie
Well-Known Member
Yup, sure is....which is why I have been saying for a long time that a "Forum of Shame" is needed. This thread will fade away....and the only reminder of how much of a classless act a certain someone is will be a ding next to his name. If there was a forum of shame it would not take much to figure out how is a scum bag and who aint. Forum of shame does not even have to be open for comments. Person that was wronged could send a staff member a description of what happened...staff member would start a thread and close it......other party would be given a time frame to respond.....staff would then post this and keep it closed......Sure it would take a few minutes for someone to do....aint like the moderators are busy for second they are on here....not to mention it is not like EVERY transaction goes sideways....
Could not find this in a post....
"I was told by the administrator that it is there policy not to get involved in these things."
But I do have to ask a simple question, what do you want for a free classified ad? Aint like the owner of the site got a percentage of the sale....
There is a feedback section. Why has it not been used by the buyers that had issues?
I always check a sellers feedback, if I don't know their rep on here already. If they have no feedback, I take steps to find out more info on them by asking certain things of them, if they don't follow through, I don't either.
There is usually 3 sides to every story, so far we only see two.
Bulldozer
free ice cream sandwiches
yep, same here
I have my own "forum of shame" and that is my ignore list. it is the only way I can keep track of those who choose to take others for granted. but for those new to this board looking for much needed parts that end up on the wrong side of those sellers, it does them absolutely nothing for them.
Many different tnings happen to us and of course other than him nobidy knows whats going on on his life and there could be many reasons why he is fallif behind on properly taking care of ( at least a few of his sales) im not saying flat out ban the guy but at least slow him down some int he catches up.
I got over whelmed with shipping and keeping track of the who/where/what/ehy and if when i sold a few parts off one car let alone multiple cars. We know he is realitiy ok as he is still listing parts and replying to questions ( at least for unsold parts )
Juwt say for instance he got behind on shipping a package or two for whatever reason ( and there are a million good/bad reasons a person can get behind). If that happened and now he would be taking shipping money from the next sale to ship the last one then if he misses another in there someplace them well yiu can see how fast that could snowball into something uncontrolable and very out of hand.
Then add the fact thqt maybe a person might be to embarrased to ask for help and just figures he can get it straight soon enough but it just keeps getting worse and worse.
Now this of course is all just hypothetical but i have seen it happen over and over. Wouldent we be doing him and all the potential buys a favor by saying for whatever reason he is off track that right is right and enough is enough until you get caught up
Oklacarcollecto
Life is an experiment
If you read this thread you can see what happened. Glass shipped, notification on the UPS website on August 21st and August 22nd that it was damaged and the entire contents were discarded, Justin finally sends a check to reimburse the buyer and it bounces which ends up costing the buyer another $15.00 so now the buyer is out a total of $180.00.
and in most cases, most people wont search the shame forum first.
The feedback system isn't a joke, many just don't bother with it, as evidenced by how ply30 has a bunch of positive reviews and no negative. Although I agree that it could be a lot better. Somehow the positives made it in there.
I keep telling you, decisions you guys think are so simple and easy, REALLY aren't. They seem that way to you guys, but they aren't.
Like, for example, If I ban ply30 for example, maybe he gets pissed and decides to never come back AND never refund the money. Does that improve things? No.
Could it be that he has some kind of temporary financial issue and that's why the trouble with the refund? The only negative I have heard from others is that he can be a little slow with shipping, nobody else has told me he stiffed them on money or parts, just that he is slow in shipping.
The feedback system isn't a joke, many just don't bother with it, as evidenced by how ply30 has a bunch of positive reviews and no negative. Although I agree that it could be a lot better. Somehow the positives made it in there.
I keep telling you, decisions you guys think are so simple and easy, REALLY aren't. They seem that way to you guys, but they aren't.
Like, for example, If I ban ply30 for example, maybe he gets pissed and decides to never come back AND never refund the money. Does that improve things? No.
Could it be that he has some kind of temporary financial issue and that's why the trouble with the refund? The only negative I have heard from others is that he can be a little slow with shipping, nobody else has told me he stiffed them on money or parts, just that he is slow in shipping.
And that's why it's important to at least use the feedback system.
I believe there are three people at least, that have had issues buying, but not one of them has left negative feedback. There was one seller that had an issue, no feedback left.
It may not be perfect, but it is what we have and if it isn't used, no one has anyway of knowing. If there was feedback left by those who have had issues, it is visible for all to see, then if a person chooses to buy/sell from/to that member they know the risk going in.
I was the victim of a bad seller on another forum several years ago, to the tune of nearly 400 bucks, luckily for me, I had taken steps to have an address and phone number and email of the seller. With that information I was able to track him down and after 4 or 5 weeks of relentless work I got my parts. I was so angry, I was ready to take a ride to Montana!
I notified the local Sheriff Dept on what had transpired before he could make a report about someone harassing him.
I have went to leave positive feedback only to drop it because it was a pain in the *** to complete.
But even if the feedback process was easy and flawless at some point you cant hide behinde the general rule/people need to leave feesback mentality. You see whats up and you know right from wrong and there has to be a moral responsibility somewhere here to so whats right
I know its a lot of work but as site owners and mods it is what you signed up for. I dont envy you but it is what it is.
Really.. You go to the other person's feedback page, click Submit New Feedback, and fill in a form. Yup, pita.
As I said, I think it could be a lot better, but it works.
I would have to disagree with that. It is very simple to do using 2 browser windows, I can leave feedback in 2 minutes or less, and I do so every time whether I'm the buyer or the seller.
whitepunkonnitro
Well-Known Member
I know this is not a solution, but it could go a long way towards taking some of the bite out next time something like this happens.
If FABO had a paypal account dedicated towards taking care of buyers who got burned via transactions on this site, we (The regular and frequent sellers) could donate a dollar from every sale we make here to fund it.
The decision as to who was reimbursed and for how much would be left entirely to the moderators, who are already dealing with this stuff, but can't really offer any proactive solutions. This would untie their hands a bit.
If FABO had a paypal account dedicated towards taking care of buyers who got burned via transactions on this site, we (The regular and frequent sellers) could donate a dollar from every sale we make here to fund it.
The decision as to who was reimbursed and for how much would be left entirely to the moderators, who are already dealing with this stuff, but can't really offer any proactive solutions. This would untie their hands a bit.
Perfect example of what I was saying earlier... Sounds easy but isn't at all. I can quickly think of a dozen reasons that wouldn't work.
I think where folks get frustrated is you have to copy/paste the deal thread into the form.
That's why I use two browser windows, I bring the deal thread up in both windows (which I always bookmark until the deal is complete), I then can work in one window on the feedback and use the other window for the copy part, it's so simple a caveman can do it.
Just go to your own profile and check your recent posts -- the thread should be in there.
Oklacarcollecto
Life is an experiment
That is a lot of the problem and it is compounded by members that are using phones to use the site.
Daves69
Well-Known Member
IMO, the Admin. needs not do anything. This is NOT E-bay or Craigslist. They have already done enough to provide these forums, a place to learn, advise, socialize, trade, and vent among other things if so be it.
I doubt anyone would want the For Sale section shut down. So let's not take out the frustrations on the website owner.
Buying from an unknown source sight unseen has forever been a "crap shoot" no matter who you are or where you reside. If you decide to purchase something Murphy's Law can apply and buyer needs to beware as stuff happens.
As far as posting feedback, I see the seller is getting a lot of negative in this thread. Seems the negative stuff is entirely the sellers fault as he compounds the transaction issue. I for one will not do business with this seller as result.
I doubt anyone would want the For Sale section shut down. So let's not take out the frustrations on the website owner.
Buying from an unknown source sight unseen has forever been a "crap shoot" no matter who you are or where you reside. If you decide to purchase something Murphy's Law can apply and buyer needs to beware as stuff happens.
As far as posting feedback, I see the seller is getting a lot of negative in this thread. Seems the negative stuff is entirely the sellers fault as he compounds the transaction issue. I for one will not do business with this seller as result.
Trust goes a long way. too many people trust people they can't see or touch. not me!
what this thread shows me, is a few of you probably get taken every day. jmo
what this thread shows me, is a few of you probably get taken every day. jmo
Yep-lots of different situations and I'm sure when you have problems on here it seems like your hands are tied.Its the Internet and E bay has its own set of problems.You certainly won't keep dishonest people from stiffing you or even some that see it as a way to get back at you because you have had a disagreement with them or one of their old buddies.Its free, caveat emptor!!!!
And out of the thousands of transactions that happen here, only once in awhile something goes wrong. Its not like its a plague.
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