Does anyone on this forum own an EV. Be honest!

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diymirage said:
i had one too (in fact, if you go onto the tiburon version of FABO, you can find some pretty cool posts by a guy named "diymirage")
my only complaint is that it wasnt very impact resistant

i dont know why you woulnt trust a KIA if you trust a hyundai...the roll of the same assembly line

the funny thing about them is, i considered them for a new family hauler, because they were cheap, decent and they now make one that fits the whole family (kia tellurida/hyundai palisade) but when i looked into them, they still go in the 40K range, at 2 years old....thats just not gonna happen



nice, i always figured they should have been called monaco
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Cordoba, with Corinthian leather seats...

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I do not.

I own a 35 MPG 1.4l turbo powered Renegade.

Our boy has had a Tesla model 3 for 2.5 years.
They just bought his wife a Hyundai Sana Fe hybrid last month.
 
Highly doubtful.
I live in Wisconsin. It's cold. We all know what happens to batteries when it gets cold; maybe lithium does better than lead/acid, I dunno. But the range from what I've seen/heard is nowhere near what it's supposed to be once the temps drop. Add to that the fact that you're constantly running the heater/defroster/bunwarmers and whatnot, and range becomes pitiful.
And long term, just wait until the salt/brine crap they use on our roads starts working its way into the wiring system- it's bad enough on conventional cars, it's going to be a nightmare on EVs.
That said, I'm no electronics expert and I don't play one on TV. But I'm going to need a helluva lot more convincing before I would even consider one.
 
Professor Fate said:
Highly doubtful.
I live in Wisconsin. It's cold. We all know what happens to batteries when it gets cold; maybe lithium does better than lead/acid, I dunno. But the range from what I've seen/heard is nowhere near what it's supposed to be once the temps drop. Add to that the fact that you're constantly running the heater/defroster/bunwarmers and whatnot, and range becomes pitiful.
And long term, just wait until the salt/brine crap they use on our roads starts working its way into the wiring system- it's bad enough on conventional cars, it's going to be a nightmare on EVs.
That said, I'm no electronics expert and I don't play one on TV. But I'm going to need a helluva lot more convincing before I would even consider one.
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"That said, I'm no electronics expert and I don't play one on TV."

Thought you were going to say..."But I slept at a Holiday Inn last night!!"
 
I've asked several times if people dive Tesla's in Canada.
No answer on any of the boards I frequent but-

I just saw a vid shot in Canada 2 days ago and there was clearly a Tesla driving in the snow.
 
autoxcuda said:
The big issue I see is car chargers. They are about 9.6 to 11.5 kW EACH.

For instance 11.5kW charger takes a 60 amp supply breaker in your electrical panel. You got space for another 60 amps ?? Take a peak in your panel some day.

Now, what if you have two electric cars? Most single family homes have two vehicles, right? Charging overnight simultaneously, will need 120 amps of breaker space.

That might force an average 1200 sqft home with central A/C system into a 400 amp electric panel. Even more likely with electric oven and dryer.

A 400 amp panel is expensive and needs the electric company to increase the service wire or cable size. There might be additional cost, on top of the new panel, incurred to homeowner to do that.

Now... what if you want the fast 19.2 kW fast chargers??... And you want TWO of them... you are definitely into a 400 amp panel with each charger requiring a 100 amp breaker. And you'll very possibly need electric company infrastructure change so your lights don't flicker when you are charging those HUGE electric charging loads at night.

BTW, those 19.2 kW charger are $2k each. Just a side note.
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Well and as right as you are about this, what about the grid feeding it? That's the thing in a nutshell. What I DO NOT see is the local power company out here "times 4-ing" the capacity of the local grid, .......and.....then...........what feeds THAT??

And it ain't just the cars charging. CA is trying to get houses "all electric." Bidet has mentioned that. They want to get combustion fuels out of the homes. I tell you, the grid cannot support that crap.
 
I've driven my buddies Tesla those things go! The acceleration is instantaneous. the cost, range, battery life, recharge time make them only good as a second (or in my case 7th) car in my opinon.
 
67Dart273 said:
Well and as right as you are about this, what about the grid feeding it? That's the thing in a nutshell. What I DO NOT see is the local power company out here "times 4-ing" the capacity of the local grid, .......and.....then...........what feeds THAT??

And it ain't just the cars charging. CA is trying to get houses "all electric." Bidet has mentioned that. They want to get combustion fuels out of the homes. I tell you, the grid cannot support that crap.
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In Texas where we were put in a deep freeze last year.....the majority of electricity came from wind generation while the normal grid was totally frozen. I'm not taking sides I'm just stating what happened. I love fossil fuels but when it gets really cold it's not dependable.
 
67Dart273 said:
Well and as right as you are about this, what about the grid feeding it? That's the thing in a nutshell. What I DO NOT see is the local power company out here "times 4-ing" the capacity of the local grid, .......and.....then...........what feeds THAT??

And it ain't just the cars charging. CA is trying to get houses "all electric." Bidet has mentioned that. They want to get combustion fuels out of the homes. I tell you, the grid cannot support that crap.
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I'll tell you exactly what will happen; power companies will borrow a page from the book of ISPs- inasmuch as having a given amount of bandwidth available in a given area, your service slows to the point of only being able to operate on a limited basis. Just like when you become unable to stream TV and surf the internet at the same time; not to mention utilizing all your wifi doorbells, thermostats, waterheaters, bagel warmers and other nonsense. You'll need to prioritize your electrical consumption, probably leading to some form of load-sensing hardware in your main panel that shuts down non-essential circuits depending on local demand, and that will need to be installed on YOUR dime. There will be no grid upgrades, as that would cost THEM money.
 
Treblig said:
In Texas where we were put in a deep freeze last year.....the majority of electricity came from wind generation while the normal grid was totally frozen. I'm not taking sides I'm just stating what happened. I love fossil fuels but when it gets really cold it's not dependable.
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And when you as a Texan say really cold, what are we talking here, mid 50s?


Someone mentioned Canada

Coal, petroleum and natural gas account for 75% of Alaskas electrical plants, hows that for cold ?
 
diymirage said:
And when you as a Texan say really cold, what are we talking here, mid 50s?


Someone mentioned Canada

Coal, petroleum and natural gas account for 75% of Alaskas electrical plants, hows that for cold ?
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Actually it got down into the 20s for about 5 days!! For S.Texas that's super cold. Most water pipes froze and many lost power completely. Houses around here aren't built to handle those low temps for many days in a row. You couldn't find a pumber to fix the broken pipes for weeks they were so busy. On top of that there was no PVC piping or copper pipes to make the repairs because the trucks couldn't bring supplies. There was a shortage of all plumbing supplies for about 6/8 weeks. The infrastructure designed to deliver power under normal circumstances collapsed under the extreme cold conditions.

The storms caused the worst energy infrastructure failure in Texas state history, leading to shortages of water, food, and heat.[8] More than 4.5 million homes and businesses were left without power,[9][10][11][12] some for several days. At least 246 people were killed directly or indirectly,[3] with some estimates as high as 702 killed as a result of the crisis.[4]
 
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Treblig said:
In Texas where we were put in a deep freeze last year.....the majority of electricity came from wind generation while the normal grid was totally frozen. I'm not taking sides I'm just stating what happened. I love fossil fuels but when it gets really cold it's not dependable.
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I live in Minnesota. And cold is the #1 deterrent. They are improving every year. The next generation solid state battery technologies along with (in my opinion) hydrogen fuel cell technology will put them as very viable option.

Better performance.
Lower maintenance requirements.
Lower energy costs.
Lower environmental impact.

It's going to be tough to argue against those points. Accept for the "Cool" factor. I'm sure they will develop some wild body and color designs. But the rumble of well tuned muscle is hard to compete against?
 
67Dart273 said:
Well and as right as you are about this, what about the grid feeding it? That's the thing in a nutshell. What I DO NOT see is the local power company out here "times 4-ing" the capacity of the local grid, .......and.....then...........what feeds THAT??

And it ain't just the cars charging. CA is trying to get houses "all electric." Bidet has mentioned that. They want to get combustion fuels out of the homes. I tell you, the grid cannot support that crap.
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Electric dryers and stoves aren’t that big of impact. But electric heating kW is.

Question: In the rust belt, is electric heating amperage about the same as hot summer A/C running??

I’m guessing most of the EV charging will be done at home at night when business load is lower.

Also the solar back feed during the day helps the grid at those times.

The highest grid demand is now 4-7pm on real hot summer days when solar is weak or off.

New technology is/will be applied for managing the grid. Automation and data collection will be used to make the grid more efficient “smart grid” There will be gains there.

But there will be good old fashioned equipment, cable, wire being upgraded or added. Happening already.

But it’s not like every wire will need to be 4 times larger. It’s not of that magnitude.
 
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bcschief said:
Would be interesting to see DIY guys repair their hybrid cars, you may as well throw away your test lights and your current DMMs.
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That goes for any modern car. Wait until diagnostic equipment goes NS1
 
This time last year maybe a week earlier S E Tx. here, lows of 5 above and highs like 17 for 3-4 days. 245 people actually froze to death, as in dead. CNN did not make news of the deaths very well.
 
harrisonm said:
I did not know that. When did that happen? It was not always that way.
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1998
After Kia went bankrupt in '97 hyundai bought them out and "revived' them

But it does sound like hyundai is letting Kia be "on its own" a little more lately and I was oversimplifilying things when I said they rolled of the same line...but they do share much of the same components and platforms
 
Early kias were indeed "crap". Hyundai owned Kias are MUCH improved in quality and are selling very well.

Hyundai also split the "Genesis" model into it's own brand and added models.

They now have a "traditional" three tiered brand system- Kia, Hyundai, and Genesis.
 
Going to the lawyer's office today to sign a contract to install solar panels on 60 acres of property my mother owns.
But were waiting for a engineering report to see if the grid wires can handle the increase.
There are a number of solar projects that are trying to get started here in preparation for the increase in power generation that's going to be needed in the future.
 
bobscuda67 said:
Going to the lawyer's office today to sign a contract to install solar panels on 60 acres of property my mother owns.
But were waiting for a engineering report to see if the grid wires can handle the increase.
There are a number of solar projects that are trying to get started here in preparation for the increase in power generation that's going to be needed in the future.
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Is it non farmable land? Or low yielding ?
 
I was waiting in the tech line and a Tesla owner asked me where the EV charging station was? I told him it was next to free race gas pump.
 
bobscuda67 said:
Going to the lawyer's office today to sign a contract to install solar panels on 60 acres of property my mother owns.
But were waiting for a engineering report to see if the grid wires can handle the increase.
There are a number of solar projects that are trying to get started here in preparation for the increase in power generation that's going to be needed in the future.
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Be sure to have them read the fine print

My parents have solar panels on their house (I HATE it, 150 year old farmhouse, brick with red tile roof and those nasty black panels on it)

But, in the summer their meter runs backwards and all the excess power they produce goes back onto the grid

In the winter it runs clockwise again, but not nearly as fast and according to my dad he's been breaking even and has not paid for electricity in years
 
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