This is the future of cars I've warned everyone about

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I started thinking about buying something newer.
The more I've read about costs, problems etc. I decided just roll my 95 Roadmaster, 88 K5 and 64 Dart 'til I croak.

I was driving alot for work and breaking down here and there. Threatened my self with getting a Mule and if it went lame just shoot it and get another one.
 
The guys on the Hellcat website I frequent, say that Sirius radio is 2-way....and collecting info.
 
.. and it's intended for the typical "in your driveway fixes" and "DIY" to go away too. I call cars nowadays "appliance vehicles". Like a microwave, use it a few years and when it fails, throw it out. Many cars that are 40, 50, or even 80 years old are getting driven or put back on the road. Many engine/transmission options. Rear end swaps. But what about todays cars???? Or todays appliances, hooked to phones?
 
mopar head said:
Oh, it happened, maybe not quite a kill switch, but it could be if you're a rubber necker etc.
Car Kill Switch Bill: What the New Federal Law Requires
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"The initiative is intended to address the thousands of deaths caused by impaired driving each year by requiring advanced safety equipment as standard equipment in new cars".
That's how it's pushed through, as safety equipment, because who can refuse to support better safety standards. The part they aren't talking about is what else it can be used for.
 
missing linc said:
"The initiative is intended to address the thousands of deaths caused by impaired driving each year by requiring advanced safety equipment as standard equipment in new cars".
That's how it's pushed through, as safety equipment, because who can refuse to support better safety standards. The part they aren't talking about is what else it can be used for.
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I fully expect all vehicles to have some form of blow box in them as well one day, the driver would have to blow into and prove their sobriety before the car will start. All in the name of safety of course
 
I've said for years that technology in vehicles was gettin too big for its britches. And even though I'm not a fan of EFI conversions on older cars, I love the modern conveniences it brings to new cars. When things are right, it's great. It's when things go haywire, as they often do, that stuff gets outta hand.

I don't know how it is in the areas where yall live, but here, it's impossible to find someone that 100% knows what they're doing with computer diagnosis. It always ends up being a "best guess" and that's boosheet.

Even all the dealerships around here have no one that "really knows" the systems. They all rely on communicating with the factory reps online and lots of times, they're wrong too.

Used to be with carburetors and distributors, it was "yeah Mrs. Jones, just park it right there and Mike will HAVE IT FIXED later this afternoon". Now, it's gotta jump through this hoop and that, plug this in, communicate with the factory rep, lick their nuts, slob their knob and you still might not get it fixed.

Dealers sometimes have problem children in for so long that they go through arbitration. That's the process where the dealership buys the POS BACK that you bought from them. That's just pitiful.
 
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RustyRatRod said:
I've said for years that technology in vehicles was gettin too big for its britches. And even though I'm not a fan of EFI conversions on older cars, I love the modern conveniences it brings to new cars. When things are right, it's great. It's when things go haywire, as they often do, that stuff gets outta hand.

I don't know how it is in the areas where yall live, but here, it's impossible to find someone that 100% knows what they're doing with computer diagnosis. It always ends up being a "best guess" and that's bullshit.

Even all the dealerships around here have no one that "really knows" the systems. They all rely on communicating with the factory reps online and lots of times, they're wrong too.
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Ya, and they charge you 50% more per hour cause of the "specialized service"
 
This makes me miss my 65 Falcon 289 4-speed. Dual point distributor, Holley 4 barrel double pumper, mechanical secondaries. Manual drum brakes, manual steering. Not a whole lot to cause problems.
 
Ant said:
Warning! Strong language and cuss words will be used by me. There is no cussing in the video.

For years I have told people about the issues and future issues of modern cars, but those stupid fucks don't believe me and think it's bullshit, even though I have the automotive training they don't have and have seen the potential problems. Drive by wire issues, electric power steering problems, dangerous auto start stop situations, I've seen it years ago. By design plenty of the computer controlled systems can be dangerous if there is a failure.
So, why am I talking about this now? 318WillRun @318willrun released a video about a situation where the whole computer controlled system just randomly failed possibly due to an update. According to 318WillRun the vehicle that had the catastrophic failure from a software update done with a cell phone, however I can tell you that it can get much worse than that. Many newer cars don't need to update via an app on your phone, but will instead use a satellite connection to automatically do updates from the manufacturer. That's right, no user action from you is required to completely **** up your day and put you in danger.
Of course some of us know about these type issues happening, but the problem is that it's not talked about enough. The other problem is that these issues are gaslighted by the manufacturer and media who will put the blame on the user or anything else not in direct relation to the manufacturer. Most people are now just too ******* stupid to believe the truth, even when it comes out of the mouth of an educated mechanic. So, that is why this topic should be talked about more often, especially now that companies are using AI to write code for them that could possibly(I'm sure it is) be already in use from the auto manufacturers. (For those who are not keeping up with the AI disasters, companies big and small are having issues because they put there trust in AI, which is why Windows 11 updates keep breaking things, lol.)

Watch 318WillRun's video and other videos on the related topic. If possible, get other automotive youtubers to talk about it too. This is not the only time this situation has happened or has been talked about, but it should be treated like old news every time it does happen.

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I am a subscriber at 318willrun, seen that video myself this morning, and I agree, WAY TO MANY ELECTRIC CHIT ON NEW CARS !!
The screens they have are worse then a damn phone, try and adjust the tuning on your radio, open a new screen !! Bull **** !! Agree, I like a real dash! I can watch the road as I tune my radio.
 
LO23M8B said:
O the **** I know. It's going to be a lot of posts. I can tell you everything said above is true. But sooo much more.
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I also know people in areas of technology, that sprinkle bits of "imagine if" to me. Ya sound like a kook, if you post too much of things people infer to you.
 
missing linc said:
"The initiative is intended to address the thousands of deaths caused by impaired driving each year by requiring advanced safety equipment as standard equipment in new cars".
That's how it's pushed through, as safety equipment, because who can refuse to support better safety standards. The part they aren't talking about is what else it can be used for.
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I have a 24 equinox as a company vehicle and a 26 genesis g70 on a lease. The equinox is a base which has a screen for the radio and manual hvac controls which is awesome. I can live with the radio being the only screen, it's pretty nice. The problem is all the electronic safety bs. It's incredibly distracting if you're actually driving and paying attention. Before I turned it off the equinox slammed on the brakes during rush hour because a bike pulled out in front of me 1/8 a mile ahead. The only thing on it at this point are the blind spot monitors and the parking sensors. Not because I need them, but they're a nice secondary warning. Parking sensors are awesome, and I use the proxy to know where I'm at. The G70 has lane monitoring and active assistance, the same brake thing as the equinox, too many dings etc. Oh and the damn Hvac is this annoying combination of touch screen and buttons. I've turned off the same stuff as the equinox. It's just incredibly annoying to have to deal with. It's a nice car, and remote climate start with the app is cool, but I'm definitely going back to my Holden sedans after this. LS powered, bigass, nice interiored, sedan (caprice or SS I'm not sure which) with most of the nice stuff of the g70 but without all the screen bullshit.
 
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memike said:
I am a subscriber at 318willrun, seen that video myself this morning, and I agree, WAY TO MANY ELECTRIC CHIT ON NEW CARS !!
The screens they have are worse then a damn phone, try and adjust the tuning on your radio, open a new screen !! Bull **** !! Agree, I like a real dash! I can watch the road as I tune my radio.
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Mike, IMO having screens in cars should be against the law. It's a huge distraction.
 
RustyRatRod said:
I've said for years that technology in vehicles was gettin too big for its britches. And even though I'm not a fan of EFI conversions on older cars, I love the modern conveniences it brings to new cars. When things are right, it's great. It's when things go haywire, as they often do, that stuff gets outta hand.

I don't know how it is in the areas where yall live, but here, it's impossible to find someone that 100% knows what they're doing with computer diagnosis. It always ends up being a "best guess" and that's bullshit.

Even all the dealerships around here have no one that "really knows" the systems. They all rely on communicating with the factory reps online and lots of times, they're wrong too.

Used to be with carburetors and distributors, it was "yeah Mrs. Jones, just park it right there and Mike will HAVE IT FIXED later this afternoon". Now, it's gotta jump through this hoop and that, plug this in, communicate with the factory rep, lick their nuts, slob their knob and you still might not get it fixed.

Dealers sometimes have problem children in for so long that they go through arbitration. That's the process where the dealership buys the POS BACK that you bought from them. That's just pitiful.
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I'm in the business and this post is 100% accurate.

Techs are now mostly computer technicians.

Warranty labor costs are so high for the manufacturers that they now require the vehicle to be plugged into a dedicated online system that steps the tech through each step of diagnosing a problem. These procedures are designed to fix the vehicle as cheaply as possible and, even if the tech finds the problem, he can't proceed without the factory's say so.

Here's how crazy its gotten..

If an engine has to be torn down, GM is one I know of, they will reuse the coolant , and the engine oil and filter if they have not been scheduled to be changed!

If you want fresh coolant, oil and filter, you have to pay for it, even though the engine parts were replaced under warranty!
 

Super-Cuda said:
I'm in the business and this post is 100% accurate.

Techs are now mostly computer technicians.

Warranty labor costs are so high for the manufacturers that they now require the vehicle to be plugged into a dedicated online system that steps the tech through each step of diagnosing a problem. These procedures are designed to fix the vehicle as cheaply as possible and, even if the tech finds the problem, he can't proceed without the factory's say so.

Here's how crazy its gotten..

If an engine has to be torn down, GM is one I know of, they will reuse the coolant , and the engine oil and filter if they have not been scheduled to be changed!

If you want fresh coolant, oil and filter, you have to pay for it, even though the engine parts were replaced under warranty!
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I have a good story regarding my 2008 Jeep Wrangler I bought new. It had a persistent oil leak. Dripping from right around the oil filter. The filter screwed into the timing cover. I kept seeing oil seeping out of the cover when I'd clean it and restart the engine. I put a magnifying glass on it and SAW where the aluminum cover was porous and right where the leak was coming from. I also looked it up on the internet and what do you know? Porous timing covers were a problem. There was at least one run from Mexico that had porosity issues and mine was one.

Armed with that information printed out, I went to the dealer. I SHOWED the service writer and tech BOTH where the leak was and showed them both the information I had printed out. They STILL replaced the OIL PAN. They insisted that the oil pan was where the FACTORY REP said it was coming from.

Of course I got the Jeep back still leaking. I took it back. Again. Again I insisted the leak was in the timing cover and I had shown them. To cut this short. THREE REPLACEMENT OIL PANS LATER and they finally relented and put a timing cover on it. That fixed the issue. Talk about totally wasting a customer's time. They don't have mechanics anymore. Just parts replacers and not very good ones.

Oh and at 18K miles, the engine started knocking. They put a new engine in it and it was never the same after that. New cars SUCK.
 
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