"street" outlaws tonight

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Some would debate the meaning of street car and street racing. It's been some time since I did it, but even back then open exhaust (less weight, more power), slicks, and run what you brung was it. There are no limits aside from what one can put up with, and not get caught in. I ran 4.56s, 30" Goodyear slicks, and open exhaust. Engine had to run C12 and really liked C16 especially on the bottle (this was a bit before NO2 was really popular or not considered cheating). It had one glass seat and glass nose on it. I lined up against true street cars running radials and full exhaust and made some money doing it.
I like Kye. He's also down to earth which is really what most street racers are like. Because of the show I'm debating on the future of one of my cars. I've got a slower car I'm buying for next year but one is apart far enough that it could be made really, really light.
 
moper said:
Some would debate the meaning of street car and street racing. It's been some time since I did it, but even back then open exhaust (less weight, more power), slicks, and run what you brung was it. There are no limits aside from what one can put up with, and not get caught in. I ran 4.56s, 30" Goodyear slicks, and open exhaust. Engine had to run C12 and really liked C16 especially on the bottle (this was a bit before NO2 was really popular or not considered cheating). It had one glass seat and glass nose on it. I lined up against true street cars running radials and full exhaust and made some money doing it.
I like Kye. He's also down to earth which is really what most street racers are like. Because of the show I'm debating on the future of one of my cars. I've got a slower car I'm buying for next year but one is apart far enough that it could be made really, really light.
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IMO everyone that used to do it needs to build one again, even if it's just to play at the track. It keeps you feeling young.
 
moper said:
Some would debate the meaning of street car and street racing. It's been some time since I did it, but even back then open exhaust (less weight, more power), slicks, and run what you brung was it. There are no limits aside from what one can put up with, and not get caught in. I ran 4.56s, 30" Goodyear slicks, and open exhaust.
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You want to know who has a real street car on that show? Jeff Lutz. That's a real street car and is as fast if not faster than any of them.

There is no reason for full open headers.

4.56 gears, even steeper are an interstate gear nowadays with the advent of GVOD's. Which BTW Jeff Lutz uses.

There are street legal tires that are 99% of what a full slick will do and just as big.
 
Couldn't agree more that these aren't real street cars. They are race prep cars.
Doesn't a magazine do a real street car race off? One where you have to use pump gas and drive the car to different tracks to race? That impresses me more. But I would love to have a show about the pure stock and F.A.S.T. class cars. Those people really have a handle on tuning and driving. I think the fastest record in F.A.S.T. is well into the 9s. Pretty awesome on skinny Bia ply tires and exhaust manifolds.

But I'll keep watching Street outlaws for the entertainment because it sure hell beats watching Lifetime.
 
This has been said several times. They have NEVER said they were street cars. They are race cars that race on the street.
Lutz has done been on the show and got beat.
 
WRB426 said:
Couldn't agree more that these aren't real street cars. They are race prep cars.
Doesn't a magazine do a real street car race off? One where you have to use pump gas and drive the car to different tracks to race? That impresses me more. But I would love to have a show about the pure stock and F.A.S.T. class cars. Those people really have a handle on tuning and driving. I think the fastest record in F.A.S.T. is well into the 9s. Pretty awesome on skinny Bia ply tires and exhaust manifolds.

But I'll keep watching Street outlaws for the entertainment because it sure hell beats watching Lifetime.
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Ya and those f.a.s.t cars are farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from being stock..
 
moper said:
Some would debate the meaning of street car and street racing. It's been some time since I did it, but even back then open exhaust (less weight, more power), slicks, and run what you brung was it. There are no limits aside from what one can put up with, and not get caught in. I ran 4.56s, 30" Goodyear slicks, and open exhaust. Engine had to run C12 and really liked C16 especially on the bottle (this was a bit before NO2 was really popular or not considered cheating). It had one glass seat and glass nose on it. I lined up against true street cars running radials and full exhaust and made some money doing it.
I like Kye. He's also down to earth which is really what most street racers are like. Because of the show I'm debating on the future of one of my cars. I've got a slower car I'm buying for next year but one is apart far enough that it could be made really, really light.
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When we raced almost all the cars came on trailers unless it was against the local townies.
 
Bringing a car to a street race on a trailer is nothing new, you guys doubting can rest assured it's been that way for decades.
 
roccodart440 said:
Much more complex tuning on a turbo car. N/A isn't even an option at that level.


At the level they are at, yes. 3 HUGE kits on every one of those NO2 cars and a single kit on most of the turbo cars. It isn't really touchy on lower single stage power levels unless you disregard some very simple guidelines. I.e. timing, plugs, fuel requirements etc.



This is one instance I sided with Chuck. You don't throw coffee at a bunch of people and then physically attack a known injured man. He needed to be taken out immediately.
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please dont take this as a personal attack but you do NOT know what you are talking a out here.

your first comment is correct. no power adder dont even come to the land of oz for this event. you will get laugh back into your tow vehicle. or taken for all your worth. these cars even the slow ones are 4 sec cars on bad days. just so you guys can get a grasp of the ets they cars run.

however tuning a turbo car is no different than an n/a car. has different requirements but just as simple and strait forward. putting the extra power down is the hard part. that is where there is always tuning happening. it is called wheel speed managment. google davis technologies profiler traction control for mofe ideas what they are using.

there is NOT and i do mean NOT a single v8 turbo car WITH NITROUS on that show. it is useless at this level of racing and unessesary. those 4-k per turbo billet pieces spool fantastic on v8 engines as twins. probably full boost by 3500rpms with ease. ive seen graphs of them show 28psi as low as 2600rpms. nitrous is not needed in v8 turbo world. if you see a silver bottle in a turbo car that looks like a nitrous bottle it is co2 for the boost control only. not nitrous. hope this educates many of you on turbos and this shows cars running turbos at this caliber.

never throw coffee at another man and expect no beating to be handed out.
 
stroked340 said:
Ya and those f.a.s.t cars are farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from being stock..
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Yes this true, but they are using stock heads, intakes and exhaust manifolds. That take a lot of great engine building to get the right combo just right. And to launch on those skinny tires means a great suspension set up just right as well.

Now look at pure stock. Those cars as close to stock as can be. And some of the times being produce is amazing as well. That is tuning at a high level.
 
davescuda said:
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When we raced almost all the cars came on trailers unless it was against the local townies.
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The real street racers would trailer to a few miles from the cruise and offload... ;)

"There is no reason for full open headers."

Sorry, but I disagree totally. Well built and tuned race headers will make the best power open, especially with multiple nitrous kits coming on and being controlled. Beyond that, the weight savings especially over even a to-the-axle system is well worth it. Ounces equal pounds. Pounds equal quicker.
 
WRB426 said:
Couldn't agree more that these aren't real street cars. They are race prep cars. Doesn't a magazine do a real street car race off? One where you have to use pump gas and drive the car to different tracks to race? That impresses me more.
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Hot Rod Magazine. Drag Week.

turbofreek said:
please dont take this as a personal attack but you do NOT know what you are talking a out here.
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You agreed with 2/4 things I said. Not bad.. BTW we use Davis controllers on the circle track cars. Big money stuff but it works.

moper said:
The real street racers would trailer to a few miles from the cruise and offload... ;)

"There is no reason for full open headers."

Sorry, but I disagree totally. Well built and tuned race headers will make the best power open, especially with multiple nitrous kits coming on and being controlled. Beyond that, the weight savings especially over even a to-the-axle system is well worth it. Ounces equal pounds. Pounds equal quicker.
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What I'm saying is BIG power can still be made without open headers. If they required it as they do with our local "list" it would level the field anyway. I know at least one of our guys runs low 8's as I've seen him at the strip. That's through the pipes on street tires. The guy I'm referring to runs a twin turbo GM setup.

People wil always want to push the line between race and street. The best test I've ever seen to date is Drag Week.
 
lol rocco i agreed on dont throw coffee and expect no beating.

not sure where else? tuning a power adder car perhaps? only one that doubles the na power will tuning me different. i made 700hp with a turbo car and required no extra track tuning maybe less than my bracket truck even.
 
turbofreek said:
lol rocco i agreed on dont throw coffee and expect no beating.

not sure where else? tuning a power adder car perhaps? only one that doubles the na power will tuning me different. i made 700hp with a turbo car and required no extra track tuning maybe less than my bracket truck even.
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your first comment is correct. no power adder dont even come to the land of oz for this event. you will get laugh back into your tow vehicle. or taken for all your worth. these cars even the slow ones are 4 sec cars on bad days. just so you guys can get a grasp of the ets they cars run."
 
451Cuda said:
Bringing a car to a street race on a trailer is nothing new, you guys doubting can rest assured it's been that way for decades.
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True. Wasn't unusual to see a car or two trailered in looking for action way back when I used to hang out down at "Dukes" on Harlem Ave.

Pat
 
roccodart440 said:
Hot Rod Magazine. Drag Week.



You agreed with 2/4 things I said. Not bad.. BTW we use Davis controllers on the circle track cars. Big money stuff but it works.



What I'm saying is BIG power can still be made without open headers. If they required it as they do with our local "list" it would level the field anyway. I know at least one of our guys runs low 8's as I've seen him at the strip. That's through the pipes on street tires. The guy I'm referring to runs a twin turbo GM setup.

People wil always want to push the line between race and street. The best test I've ever seen to date is Drag Week.
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Agreed on all. Admittedly I was not considering turbo setups. But also have seen a local car, no cage, small tire (think a '97 model like Chuck's) running a stroked small block ford with a single 88mm turbo. That car is capable of 8s in the 1/4 but is not track legal. Registered, quiet, makes a bunch of money.
 
WRB426 said:
Just watched Monday's show. Pretty crazy stuff. I'd figured that Kyle would take it. He's a great racer with a fast car.

I didn't know that they race 1/8 mile. Can't tell on TV.

I don't get N02. Is it really worth the risk? I'd rather have a NA or turbo/supercharger. Seems like less headaches and no bottle to fill.
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I read somewhere that it's not an 1/8th mile and it's not a 1/4 mile . It's a 1000 feet that they run . Something about getting up to higher speeds for the show but still having time to be able to slow down safely .
 
Divenut said:
True. Wasn't unusual to see a car or two trailered in looking for action way back when I used to hang out down at "Dukes" on Harlem Ave.

Pat
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Same way here in Mass .
 
Can Larry Larson hook on the street. That is where they race.
 
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