1969 dart Scam out of NY with my pics and MY CAR!!

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1969ProDart

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Seen this before... I even knew a guy who gave the name of the previous owner as his own name to a prospective buyer ... all to avoid an extra title transfer....geez!
 
It sold on eBay for $6690, didn't he pay you?

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I saw your ad on here for your car and if I had the $$ I would have snagged it for sure. The guy obviously is doing a flip, but I sure as hell wouldnt post a new ad until it is in my driveway!

A few members have asked, but I didnt see a reply yet.
Did you get paid?? Cuz you sold on Ebay is he paying via PAYPAL?? Might raise some red flags. I would flag him on CL.
 
1.........What is this bullshit "sending PMs to all replies?"

2.........How do you know that this ad was generated by the guy who bought it? There has been scams on CL before, by people who pirated photos from some other site, like ebay

3...........X10 above, did you get the money? If so "it ain't your problem."
 
As long as he paid you, its his car.
The difference in price is location.
Cars cost 2X in the north compared to the south because of rust.
 
supply and demand like any other commodity, cars sell for more in other states and countries.
 
Ok so one, I want to answer replies in pms because when I had a for sale thread, I was replying in the thread, in turn bumping the add. Then they removed my listing.
Two I've received only half of payment. Still awaiting the other half.
And three it is the guy I sold it to through eBay. Exchanged numbers on eBay. Same number in listing.
 
Since he only gave you half then maybe he is trying to sell it for half to get more to pay you the other half, then somebody ends up getting stiffed one way or another. I smell a scam, kinda elaborate but you can put perfume and lipstick on a pig and its still a pig!!!
 
Ok so one, I want to answer replies in pms because when I had a for sale thread, I was replying in the thread, in turn bumping the add. Then they removed my listing.
Two I've received only half of payment. Still awaiting the other half.
And three it is the guy I sold it to through eBay. Exchanged numbers on eBay. Same number in listing.


This thread shouldn't have been listed in the for sale section, it is a discussion thread so I moved it to General Discussion so you are free to comment on it.
 
If he paid you and it's his car, he can do what he wants. I'm sorry to say, live with it. The car flipping business is and always will be a booming business. I don't understand why people cry when they see their car for sale double for what they sold it for.
 
I understand the car flipping. But why make a listing when one you haven't paid for it fully, two you have neither the car or title.
I don't give a flying rats behind if that's your intention. But pay for it first and get it shipped to you first.
I realize that's it is in general discussion. But the car is still for sale locally, or who can pay for it in full.
 
Ok so one, I want to answer replies in pms because when I had a for sale thread, I was replying in the thread, in turn bumping the add. Then they removed my listing.
Two I've received only half of payment. Still awaiting the other half.
And three it is the guy I sold it to through eBay. Exchanged numbers on eBay. Same number in listing.

He has only paid you half of the asking price and until he pays it all and you transfer the title you still own the car. Basic contract law. You didn't sign the title over to him yet did you? I hope not. tmm
 
Nope, title is still in my name with me
Good. Did you discuss how long before he gets you the rest of the money? You might have to give it back, or he could sell it, get a down payment, and then have the remaining half payment. There may not be laws for that kind of deal. You might have talk to a lawyer and across state lines could be a issue.
 
I understand the car flipping. But why make a listing when one you haven't paid for it fully, two you have neither the car or title. I don't give a flying rats behind if that's your intention. But pay for it first and get it shipped to you first. I realize that's it is in general discussion. But the car is still for sale locally, or who can pay for it in full.

Ok, so now we know it hasnt been paid for in full. I would keep YOUR car advertised for $100 more than what his bid was on EBAY and I would flag his CL ad.
The guy obviously has no morals/scruples whatsoever!! When I first read his ad, I thought he was honest enough saying "car is on its way from Florida".
Well thats about as true as the other 1/2 he owes you is on its way...LOL
Im with ya...the Ol' Spidey Sense is tinglin' with this one.
 
call him up or have a friend do so and find out what the deal is, tell him you have cash in hand and want it then, see what he says.
 
did your ebay add have a time limit for 100% funds? if so, and its past, sale should be cancelled. And do a non refundable deposit if anyone wants you to hold the car.
 
Ok so what was your payment arrangement with the buyer. Were they to pay half as a deposit/good faith and the other half when transport was arranged? I don't understand how they only paid you half unless this was previously agreed to by both parties. You are obviously irked by his desire to profiteer but that isn't illegal, unscrupulous or immoral. If he is long overdue on the completion of the transaction or you didn't agree to taking half the payment then this is a problem that would void the contract but if everything is still within both parties agreed upon timelines and you cancel the transaction they could hold you libel. Yea,yea,yea I know its just fleabay but I thought these transactions were binding agreements.

*I didn't see the Ebay listing, was this sold as a roller or with the motor and drivetrain?
**Your CL ad is titled need gone now, but in your description you state your in no hurry to sell? Huh?
***Driver with a spool? I don't think so Timmy Lol
 
Offer and acceptance with a deposit given = his car at this point.

A consummated contract occurs when an agreement is reached and does not require full payment to be valid. That auction is an offer to sell and his winning bid is acceptance. The only outs you may have is are required payment dates and delivery date requirement which in some cases is deemed to be nothing more than a reasonable time frame.

I had someone sell a car out from under me one, yes one day, after I had given a deposit with an agreed price. DONE DEAL. I had 48 hours to get back with the cash as it wasn't a small amount and in pre-easy banking days. I had the car sold to another guy for 4K more as he was looking for that exact car. Sued the owner that sold it from under me for breach of contract and my damages were the difference between my buy and sell price. Got paid too...

Be VERY careful selling this car to someone else. Your situation is ALL in writing which may be to your detriment. Unless the current buyer has a clearly defined execution date, you risk getting hammered.
 
I’ve been practicing law in Pittsburgh now for over 25 years. And I’ve purchased my two barracudas and three other vehicles off of eBay. Four of the purchases went smoothly and the one barracuda required filing suit here in Pittsburgh to "persuade" the seller to complete the deal. As with all legal matters, you cannot have too much documentation when buying a vehicle from any on-line site. This is especially true if the vehicle is in another state.

The first thing you must do is make sure you want the vehicle and can pay for it. If both those conditions are certain, then my approach has been to win the auction or reach an agreed price with the seller. Once that is done, I draft a simple purchase contract including the description of the vehicle with VIN along with all payment terms and any special terms like help in loading, extra parts, etc. I then email (or mail) that contract to the seller and ask him to sign it and return it to me. Once I have the signed agreement, I then send the seller a deposit - usually $500.00. This payment secures the enforceability of the contract and also minimizes my "at risk" money. the purchase agreement outlines all the essential sale terms and also includes a provision that the seller must take the car title to a local notary where he will sign as seller along with a separate memorandum of sale document that states that he is selling the car to me (description and VIN) for the noted payment terms and that he will keep the car safe until it is shipped and that the car (and any parts, etc.) listed in the sale will be shipped exactly in the same condition as these were at the time of sale. This separate memorandum is also signed and notarized. I then have the seller send me copies of those documents and once received; I then send a check or wire the balance of purchase funds for the vehicle. This process protects the seller because he retains the original title and vehicle. I’m protected because having these documents in hand is all the evidence I need to file suit if the seller refuses to complete the sale or sends me a vehicle that is damaged or missing parts that should have remained on the vehicle.

All the sellers I’ve dealt with had no problem with my requests because they were anxious to sell the vehicles. In the case of my one barracuda, the young seller in Portland, Oregon apparently got a higher offer for my car after he had signed the noted documents. It was too late at that point for him to cancel the sale. For that reason, it is critical that you get something in writing from the seller immediately reflecting the sale agreement.

My deposit check is always a personal check so I have a copy of the cashed check from my bank with the seller's signature on the back. I tell the seller that it is fine for him to wait until the check clears his bank before he sends me the signed documents I’ve described.

In some states that require titles for all vehicles (like Pennsylvania) the department of vehicle registration can raise questions about titles signed at different times by the buyer and seller or if the face of the title raises other questions. Pennsylvania WILL NOT process a title that includes a simple signature of the seller that is NOT notarized. NEVER, NEVER have a seller just sign a title and send it to you without being notarized. You are asking for major registration problems and delays if you do this no matter what state you live in. when I have sent all of the out-of-state vehicle titles for the five vehicles I’ve purchased to the Pennsylvania department of transportation (PENDOT) for a new title, I have included the original copy of the memorandum of sale executed by the seller in front of the notary showing the VIN of the vehicles and all these titles were processed without problem or delay by PENDOT. As I said, when it comes to buying out-of-state vehicles and getting them titled in your name, you CANNOT have too much documentation.

As to "flipping" a car before the sale is completed - that is like doing an "option to buy" with another buyer. However, nothing about that procedure should affect or change the original sale. They are separate issues. The buyer in that example is putting himself at risk because if he doesn't pay for the car he doesn't get it and if he has accepted deposit money from another buyer, he will have to give that money back to that person. There is also the possibility that the vehicle will suffer some damage during the first sale and transport, which would, or course, affect the second buyer.

If you are selling a car, draft good sale documents with simple, exact and complete terms with provisions for protecting payments. Address price, payment terms, title issues, pick-up or delivery conditions and anything else unique to the transaction. If you are buying a car, follow the exact same procedures. In everything you do act as if you will have to go to court. DOCUMENT EVERYTHING! As I learned in law school, "if you cannot prove it, it DIDN'T happen."
 
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