340 Gets Terrible Gas Mileage

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I would like to find one that will stay on the damper. Two have flown off my new damper....:BangHead:

I think he means to use it just for the sake of figuring out the cam timing events turning the engine over by hand, not necessarily leave it on the damper permanently to use when the engine is running. It would save the hassle of removing the pulleys and crank bolt to attach a degree wheel.

If I need to work with a stock damper and I'm trying to figure out my full ignition advance curve I'll use a tiny Dremel cutoff wheel and carefully mark the damper in 10-degree increments up to 50 or 60 degrees BTDC. Totally permanent and costs nothing.
 
Years ago a friend of mine installled a 2800-3000rpm converter and it killed his low speed fuel economy. It did not lock up around town.

Probably your best course of action would be converting it to a 4-speed.

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Beautiful car btw!

I am an NGK man but have had success and failures with all of them. Like a friends brand new set of ngk r plugs that lost 100whp because of a bad plug in #7...new out of the box, installed by me. I was shocked.
 
Years ago a friend of mine installled a 2800-3000rpm converter and it killed his low speed fuel economy. It did not lock up around town.

Probably your best course of action would be converting it to a 4-speed.

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Beautiful car btw!

I am an NGK man but have had success and failures with all of them. Like a friends brand new set of ngk r plugs that lost 100whp because of a bad plug in #7...new out of the box, installed by me. I was shocked.

I have a cheap unknown-brand converter in my Duster that stalls around 2600 RPM and is pretty loose in street driving but I still average 14-16 MPG with a 450 HP 360 although I do have 2.94 gears. Still I think even if I had 3.55s it wouldn't be much worse. Loose converters definitely kill fuel economy though, engine is always spinning faster than it needs to to push the car around.

Good to know about the plugs too I'm about to get a set of 8 to put in my truck with a wider gap after installing a Pertronix Digital HP CD box and Flamethrower III coil, hopefully I don't get a bunk one.
 
I would like to find one that will stay on the damper. Two have flown off my new damper....:BangHead:
Same here lost 2 of them.
Just recently I had the balancer off so I cleaned it really well applied a new timing tape and shot 2 coats of clear engine enamel over the whole thing.
I defy it to come off now.
 
I would like to find one that will stay on the damper. Two have flown off my new damper....:BangHead:
The one from mopar perfromance stayed on pretty good. That was in 1990 or so. The black background made it easier to read.
The current engine has a non-mopar diameter damper so I had to try different brand. It didn't stay on that long. I don't know if the difference was the prep or the adhesive. I have a couple more to try - when I get 'round to it.
 
I think he means to use it just for the sake of figuring out the cam timing events turning the engine over by hand, not necessarily leave it on the damper permanently to use when the engine is running. It would save the hassle of removing the pulleys and crank bolt to attach a degree wheel.
yes. Exactly.
I have a cheap unknown-brand converter in my Duster that stalls around 2600 RPM and is pretty loose in street driving but I still average 14-16 MPG with a 450 HP 360 although I do have 2.94 gears. Still I think even if I had 3.55s it wouldn't be much worse.
Yup. I had 3000 brake stall setup and had T/A adjust it down a few hundred rpm. But regardless, higher stall speeds do not directly equate to slipping for normal driving. Under light throttle there's no slippage worth worrying about. Its under full throttle that it slips up to the stall speed. More power can drive the stall speed up. Less power drops it down.

FWIW that car got 14.0 mpg in normal mixed driving. With recreational use, 1 autocross per tankful, usually around 9 mpg. City only driving, its more about gallons per minute. When a car's not moving fuel use is all about time running.

I've got to say that I don't believe spark plug brand is going to make a noticible fraction of a difference to power or mpg. If a plug is cracked or damaged, then its bad. If its fouled, its fouled. Sure NKG's quality may be better than Champion's. But if someone wants to buy me a set, I'll run them back to back against the Champions at the track. If the MPH goes up in a meaningful way, I'll pay for them. Cecil, maple Grove, or even ATCO if we could somehow be sure of getting more than 1 run in 4 hours. Need at least 2 runs on each set.
 
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That may be true with your cars IDK. I was simply relating my experience from 20 years ago.

All of my cars have manual transmissions and a power adder so these slow automatic cars are out of my wheelhouse. : D
 
i looked it up on time, a 70 Swinger 340 got 13 mpg new I think. But in 1970 that was normal performance car mpg and gas was cheap
 
As for fuel-economy ;
There are several modes of operation that affect your fuel economy; from cruise rpm, to time spent at lower rpms, to accelerations in getting up to speed, and the tune.

Street-Engines suck gas as;
1) the power-stroke gets shorter.
2) the intake valves close later
3) the overlap period gets longer,
4) the cylinder loses efficiency
5) the cam designs lose intensity

Street cars suck gas;
1) as the engine transitions from being a low-rpm power-plant, to a higher rpm unit
2) as cruising rpm increases
3) as the stall is increased
4) as tires get wider, or
5) tire pressures are reduced
6) overdrives, are NOT always the answer.

My street-experiences;
1) power strokes of less than 100 degrees suck gas no matter what you do.
2) Power-strokes greater than 120* are ridiculousdly long.
3a) long overlap periods without headers are not worth a nickel
3b) overlap periods of less than 44* are not worth having
3c) overlap periods over 76* are not very streetable
4) cylinder pressure by itself hardly affects steady-state economy. But, a low-compression/no squish, chamber sure as hell doesn't help. Furthermore, getting up to cruising speed with that low-compression chamber is gunna cost you.
5) advancing a cam to get pressure, is a lousy thing to do, cuz you are stealing power-stroke to get that pressure. Sure, it works at the race-track, cuz you replace that lost powerstroke with rpm. and you can do that on the street too, but who wants to cruise at over 3000rpm?
6) low-intensity/low-lift cams are are just not worth it. I'd rather wear out a cam every two or three years, and enjoy my car, than install a 10 year cam, and live with the lazy pos low-intensity design.
7) if fuel economy is important to you, the stinking tune is everything. You can't just bolt a carb on and go. Sure it may be working just fine, but until you mess with it, you'll never know what's costing you several mpgs.
8) for power WITH economy, yur walking a tight rope, and every aspect of the engine design has to be scrutinized. You gotta start with the Economy aspect, and work backwards looking for power.
9) a cruizing rpm of much less than 2400, in a hot-performer, is NOT realistic with a conventional distributor; because it simply cannot supply the cruise-timing required. Your combo might want cruise timing in the window of 50 to 60 degrees. Whereas, your power-timing might stall at 26*@2400; so you are or could be say 30 degrees short. On a Mopar, I can get 22 to 24 out of the Vcan, which is still at least 6*to 10* short. and if you run it that way, the VA may give you detonation at Part Throttle. So, you gotta take this into consideration during the design stage. There's no sense in cruising any slower than 2400, as the economy will go down faster by loss of efficiency, than can be gained by a reduction of rpm.
Thus, your final-drive is limited to a 2.94.
But, taking off with 2.94s and low-pressure engine, is a sure fire ticket to sadness........ so now, you GOTTA get another lower gear. If yur thinking of running a TorqueFlite od with a .69 ratio, now you can run a 4.30 in the back, which equates to 2.97s to cruise with, and the problem is solved. Or is it?
Now you gotta build an engine that suffers the indignity of cruising at 2400, but you want it to still boil the tires in at least two gears ........ right?
Well with 4.30s , a first-gear burn is assured. but that's a very short burn until yur out of pavement and Second gear is called for. In this situation, there is absolutely no reason to have a big cam in it, especially if the Dynamic cylinder pressure falls into the basement.
So, in lieu of camshafting, where is the power gonna come from?
Well, yur gonna need a lotta cylinder pressure, which you cannot get away with by using iron heads..... so now yur buying expensive alloy heads to run near 200psi. and yur gonna want to get them ported for a modest-duration cam. Speaking of which, you can make that cam work like a bigger one using a higher-ratio rocker. and of course, your automatic should have a matching stall to tie everything together. and because the cam is by now at least two sizes smaller than you may have originally thought to use, now you can surrender intensity for a longer-life cam-install.
And then
10) comes the choice of carburetor and intake ..........
11) if I told you that I once got 32mpgs out of a 360 with a 223/230/110 cam, in a straight, point to point, all-day roadtrip, would you believe it?
and same combo but with a bigger carb, still got into the 12s at 106mph, on 245 street tires. Thas ok, nobody else believes it either. Like I said earlier; once the parts are matched, the rest is in the tune.
 
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Unless you drive your car ridiculous amounts of miles a year generally it's cheaper to put it $$ into the tank, besides a good tune and fix any obvious problems.

If you spend thousands of dollars to gain a few mpg it could take decades for some of you to recoup your money never mind save. Unless something is a seriously a miss with your engine gaining huge amounts of mpg's is hard especially in town, it just takes a certain mpg to drive.
Most cars I've owned got between 12-20 mpg in town (mix driving I rarely use highways especially more than 10-15 mins)
 
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