Advice for newcomers to the hobby

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Professor Fate

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I'll admit, this is part advice/part old man rant, and not about this forum in particular- please indulge me for a bit.
If you're new to the hobby, I applaud you- I've spent countless hours with inquisitive young minds explaining things, showing how things are done, and "talking up" the camaraderie of the hobby. I like to think I've inspired a few of them on to bigger things.
If you have little experience spinning wrenches, then you need to be honest about your limitations in this regard, and work on that... The market is full of other people's projects that looked so easy on TV shows, but once started, they realized how far in over their heads they were. Too many decent cars go to the crusher because their owners weren't ready for what they were getting into.
Don't let that deter you, though! If you truly are interested, expand your knowledge base first. Go to car shows, ask questions- most owners love to talk about their cars and how they were built. You learn things and make friends that can be invaluable later. Spend time reading, watching videos, or talking with the old-timer down the road if he has the time. Spending your time watching funny cat videos only goes so far. Expand your mind and learn how to LEARN.
Instead of posting "Who makes a kit to put a 392 in my Horizon- that'd be KOOL", do something more mundane: drag home that old beat-up garden tractor the neighbor has in his front yard with the "FREE" sign on it. Instead of buying that new $1,000 iPhone, go to Sears (okay, my old age is showing) and buy a decent set of hand tools- you'll have them for the rest of your life, as opposed to the iPhone which will be obsolete in 6 months. Now start tearing apart that lawn mower. Learn how each of the components work and the principles behind them. Learn how to organize and document your work so you'll know how it all goes back together. Repair and reassemble things as you go, and before you know it you'll have something to use or to sell for some extra pocket money-maybe even sell it back to that neighbor who was giving it away!
Work your way up- maybe that old pickup truck that's sitting behind the local garage could be had for a song before it goes to the wrecker. You've got some money from selling the mower, right? Repeat the process, again learning as you go. What's the worst that could happen? You sell it for parts, or get scrap price for it; that's where it was headed for anyways! The knowledge you've gained, however, is priceless!
By now you've gotten to know some people and make some contacts, real world local people, not just faceless screen names on the internet (no offense to FABO! The internet is invaluable! :) ). They can start hooking you up with advice, parts, and potential projects. And help when called for!
NEVER stop growing your mind or your experiences!
Before you know it, YOU will be the one being asked for advice.
And you'll feel a lot more confident tackling that 392 Horizon (or not!)!
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I see it with vintage motorcycles all the time .These 20 year old kids buy a bike ,lets say a late 80's BMW K100 for example.They pay 2000 to 3000 for it and the bike is nice., a running machine that a few hundred bucks would get back in service .They strip it and sell off all the parts they don't want to use in building their " Bobber" and then lose interest when they discover that fabrication is a skill they do not have and everything they want costs hundreds of dollars. I bought all the fairings for said bike for my K100 last January .I saw the bike he bought on craigslist some months before for 3000 .It was a real nice bike with 30,000 miles on it ( these go 200,000 + between rebuilds) I paid him 300 for all the body work.Last week I saw it on craigslist as a work in progress , non running ,no seat,no handle bars,painted wheels best offer . Basically he destroyed a perfectly good motorcycle
 
I agree with all of this. Very well thought out. Too many people get in over their heads. Back in the mid 80s when 68 chargers could be had rough and running for $500, I bought my 68. I did a cosmetic restoration on it. Basically learning body and paint work at 15 years old. Had the seats reupholstered at a local shop, put in a cheezy whitney loop carpet, gave the 383 a tune up, a radiator recore, did brakes and tires. Learned i had a love of hunting for rusty gold at the salvage yards back then.

A simple cosmetic restoration on most of em nowadays isnt gonna happen. A decent driver that can be fixed while driving will usually be at minimum $5,000-$7,000

Now these old relics aren't 15 years old anymore. Most anything you get into that's cheap nowadays is gonna need a lot of everything. However the difference is I now have 35 years experience working on old cars. With each one I would redo i went further, and further into them as I was comfortable with how far I went on the previous ones essentially plotting more uncharted territory each time.

Over time I picked up needed skills like how to properly double flare a brake line to fab my own. Fabricating sheetmetal patches, and using a mig welder. Body and painting work, Engine, transmission, and recently rear axle gearset rebuilding. Even electrical systems having completely rewired several vehicles.

These are all skills i picked up over a long period of time partly out of necessity, partly out of a want to know, and partly out of worrying about paying other people for doing jobs I was not able to do and getting sub standard work done in return for my cash.

One isnt born with any of these skills or knowledge. They have to learn and develop all of it. I am teaching these skills to my son so that they are not lost to the sands of time. Hopefully he picks them up and runs with them and goes even further than I am going with this hobby.
 
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I bought this cadaver ex drag car for $300 about 4 years back from a fellow fabo member. I think for a half stripped barracuda rolling shell is a hell of a deal. I have the skills honed over many years to put it back together. However the car sat for a few years at a buddies place semi shielded from the weather under a carport until I could slowly collect up replacements for a majority of the missing or damaged pieces, and wait till my son got a bit older to be able to help. Had I looked at a car this far gone in my teenage years, I would have walked away from it.

Of course during this time my friend fielded the typical prerequisite for sale questions most people ask, with the standard answer. " No it's not for sale, Its my buddies car, he's gonna fix it up someday". I am sure lookers prob thought well that ones gonna rot into the ground LoL. And honestly not knowing that parts were being found and stockpiled for this car it would be easy for someone to think this since it just sat in one spot for 4 years front end up on cinderblocks, and a K frame haphazardly stuffed underneath.

Well that someday finally came last spring when she got tow dollied to the house and into the shop. We did a fair amount of auto body work so my son could see what it can be. He is only 7, and did about 50% of the work on it so far with my help. He is very proud of what he has accomplished so far. We will be working on removing and unfucking the hacked in pop riveted aluminum minitub mod, and installing a new main floor and transition pan this spring and summer. Got 10 years to get it done before he is ready to drive.

Heres a few before pix, and a few during pix so far. We will get back on it this spring again.

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Granted it had a 7.25 SBP peggy under the back, and the seller had sold the k frame and LCAs out of it, so I had to round up suspension parts. Decided on BBP and 1978 'doba brakes, found a slanty 6 K frame, and LCAs. Got a narrowed explorer 8.8 disc brake rear with 3.73s and a locker to go under the back. Got lucky to find a complete front clip on facebook autotrader in my hometown that was in storage since the 80s. Other parts finds kinda just fell into place. Still $300 bills for a 69 barracuda shell cant be beat.

The thing is sometimes these builds also take years and years to do. People watch Chunk Fooze and that stealin my car show. You see 50 asses and elbows rebuild the damn thing in a week. Throw billets on it, 2 tone it, and slap a crate 350 in it, and done!!! Although the work underneath that pretty paint would really be suspect to me.
 
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Granted it had a 7.25 SBP peggy under the back, and the seller had sold the k frame and LCAs out of it, so I had to round up suspension parts. Decided on BBP and 1978 'doba brakes, found a slanty 6 K frame, and LCAs. Got a narrowed explorer 8.8 disc brake rear with 3.73s and a locker to go under the back. Got lucky to find a complete front clip on facebook autotrader in my hometown that was in storage since the 80s. Other parts finds kinda just fell into place. Still $300 bills for a 69 barracuda shell cant be beat.

The thing is sometimes these builds also take years and years to do. People watch Chunk Fooze and that stealin my car show. You see 50 asses and elbows rebuild the damn thing in a week. Throw billets on it, 2 tone it, and slap a crate 350 in it, and done!!! Although the work underneath that pretty paint would really be suspect to me.
Do you mean to say that you can't rebuild a car in a half hour minus commercials? Yikes, I can't even change sparkplugs that fast.
 
..........And,..........I've said this before..........WHEN YOU ASK a question, pay attention. Come back to the thread. Pay attention to what folks have advised you. If they ask questions, it's because they want to know something. If it's a vehicle ALWAYS post the year make model, engine swap situation, drivetrain mods, whatever might be relevant to the question. There are some pretty smart people on this and some other boards, and NObody is paying any of them/ us to spend time on trying to help.
 
..........And,..........I've said this before..........WHEN YOU ASK a question, pay attention. Come back to the thread. Pay attention to what folks have advised you. If they ask questions, it's because they want to know something. If it's a vehicle ALWAYS post the year make model, engine swap situation, drivetrain mods, whatever might be relevant to the question. There are some pretty smart people on this and some other boards, and NObody is paying any of them/ us to spend time on trying to help.
Which brings up something I should have included in my original post:
SEARCH is your friend. It may not be perfect, so try to play around with your search parameters. Just remember: Most likely you are not the first one down this road! Most questions have been asked many, many times and the answers are there if you're willing to do the legwork, and who knows, you might learn something else along the way. Many times you will not get any answers to simple questions simply because people get tired of answering the same question time after time after time. Learning to search will serve you well on those late garage nights when nobody else is awake to answer your questions anyway.
 
Pushing her back into the shop. Had her in the main garage over christmas holiday as I was building a trailer, and doing vehicle mtx on everything else. I need to get those little assed SBP 14s off the back

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