Carburetor size Question

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Those heads you got will really bring home the groceries on a overboard 318 , camshaft will work good but 323 are too much gear for that setup it's screaming for at least 355 preferably 391s will bring it all together. As far as carburetors go a 340 thermoquad would be hard to beat but if you're going square bore 625 avs would also be an awesome carburetor, 650 double pumper as mentioned will give you as good of power as anything all good choices. I know 391 seem like a lot of gear but on a short stroke 3.31 motor it's all in your head it will wind at 3000 to 4,000 RPMs all day long and never even feel it.
 
To recap;
I have a 318 getting finished up and will be needing to upgrade my carb. Currently the engine is a stock 318 HD in a 1976 D100 that was ordered for Cal Trans. It has a 360 intake on it and I've always been curious if the HD designation had it built with 360 heads and intake in 1976 or if these were add-ons. The engine had reportedly had the oil pump replaced by the previous owner. After a few months of ownership and the truck running like **** I was tuning on it and decided to buy an Edelbrock AVS 500 cfm carb to use on the current engine. It ran much better with this carb.
The good times didn't last as it started knocking pretty bad and parformance dropped off so bad that I could barely get up the hill on my driveway. With the report of a previous oil pump replacement I decided to just have a different 318 built with a '73 340 cast crank I had laying around. Around this time Speedmaster (alloy heads) was having one of their salse so I got a pair of bare heads and an air gap intake.
Specs on the new engine are .060" + for "328 cu in.", '73 cast 340 crank, Eagle SIR rods, KB167 pistons, GJ oiling mods, HFT 224/230 @.050 lift on a 110* LSA, Competition Camshafts adj. rockers, bowl blend on the SM heads and gasket matched intake. I am thinking about an FBO ready to run distributor. Fresh 727 with mild work, the shifts are a little firmer but nothing crazy that is annoying for street cruising. Stock converter, 3.23 gears. This is just a SWB, parts chasin'/run around town "sport truck".
Any ideas on HP and the main question of what carb? I really like the AVS. I was flirting with doing a Fi-Tech but leaning toward sticking with the AVS style since I was liking it in the 500 cfm form with the 318.

With 28" tires.( 88" roll-out), and 3.23s, your hiway rpm will be 75=2900@zero-slip, perhaps plus 4% pushing the brick, so 3020 ish.
What that means is that you can run a stall-Rpm just under that and not lose any fuel mileage, but, compared to the stock TC, pick up a ton of bottom end torque. Say you picked up 20 ftlbs@2800, that would be 11hp, nearly the equivalent of one cam size. And it comes at an rpm that you can really use it.
Now, this is about 4 or 5% higher at 2800 than at 2200. So, because you have 3.23s and 28s;
here's the deal;
in first gear, at WOT your roadspeed will be
at 2800 =~26mph(15%slip).
at 3300 = ~31(12%),
at 3800 = ~36(10%),
at 4300 = ~42(8%)
at 4800 = ~47(8%)
at 5300 = ~52(8%)
The point is that your engine is rapidly running into wind-resistance now, so when you shift into second, the rate of acceleration will drastically diminish. Firstly because the 1-2 split is 1.45/2.45=59%, so shifting at 5300 will drop the Rs to 3140, and the engine is well off the 110LSA cam. And secondly, now you are are bucking the wind at 3140 rpm. So the point is this, and this is MY Opinion; since performance in second gear is going to diminish anyway, and there is nothing you can do about it without major changes; You might as well make first gear a killer first gear;
do you agree?
If no, then what's your idea?

If yes, then follow along.
Wiki says San Diego is at 60ft or so above sealevel, so you got that going for you already.
If you want killer with the parts you have, then the first thing you need is way more cylinder pressure.
With an Ica of 61*(on that 224/110 cam), the Wallace Calculator predicts just 162psi. But my alloy heads do support up to 185psi, still on 87E10, AND, I see no reason why yours wouldn't.
Now, since you already have adjustable valve gear, let me suggest a switch to a SOLID lifter cam-kit, one size smaller at .050. This should bring your Ica down to say 53* with which the Wallace predicts 174 psi. and now yur talking.
This represents an increase in low-rpm (stall to 3300ish) performance of ~16%, which is in the ENTIRE speed range below 31mph.
That 16%, represents the gear difference from 3.23 x1.16=3.75s OR you could look at it from the other side; 3.23/1.16=2.78s.. What that means is that with the earlier Ica, you could run a smaller gear, and not loose the usual low-rpm performance.
So, that will change your cruise-rpm
from 75= 3020(3.23s),
to 75= 2750(2.94s)/70=2570, or
to 75= 2580(2.76s)
Ok so say you went with the 2.94s, giving up 9% of that 16% performance. That looks like a fair trade. , leaving you with plus 7% below 3300 with the solid lifter cam. Now, since your cruise rpm has been reduced to 70=2570@4% slip, lets go with a minimum 2600stall, and a max of 2800.
Either of these will not cost you steady-state fuel economy, over 70mph.
And, the short-period solid lifter cam with it's Ica of 53* versus the Comp Cams 61*, will pump up the Fuel-economy potential still more.

But, there's no free lunch; the smaller at .050 cam will give up power over the nose, of maybe 10hp, beginning at perhaps 2hp at 3800rpm(guessing). So, the top of first gear WILL go soft sooner ot later, but the new pressure of 174psi versus the pre solid lifter cam pressure of 162psi, is gonna soften the hit quite a bit.
The ET, from zero to 50 mph will be quicker off the line, (with the solid/ 2.94s/ 174psi); but slowing slightly towards 52 mph.; versus the 224FTH/stock stall/3.23s/ and 162psi ...... I can't say which way it would go.
It has been written that you can expect a fuel-economy percentage increase of 50% of the rpm decrease. So from 3020 to 2750 is a decrease of ~10.1%, so you can expect an increase in fuel economy of 5%, due to the rpm change.
But the biggest change will be to the solid lifter cam, opening the exhaust valve way later, which means that at cruising speed, more energy CAN be extracted from the combustion process, with proper tuning. But even better is that you can run 87E10 full-time, saving you money at the pump every day, all year long.

The bonus is that pulling out to pass someone at 70mph with 2.94s, the KD into Second will get you 70=3940 rpm, on the fattest part of the torque curve, and Second gear goes to 4800=87 mph, so let 'er rip.

I mean, jus saying,lol.
 
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I mean, jus saying,lol.

Wowzers! Thanks for the info and doing the math on all that but I am struggling to keep up. I read it three times and I guess I'm just dense.

Sounds like you are saying drop a cam size and go with a SFT. Get 2.91 gear, get a 2600-2800 stall TC?

I'm going to stick with the camshaft for now and go with the 3.23's.

What stall torque converter should I get that wouldn't have to rev to go forward after putting the trans in gear. I was going to look into a stall converter but the engine builder suggested that for what I was wanting to do with the truck (interstate / cruising) I could stick with the stock unit.

I'm not very experienced with stall converters but I would want one that has real smooth power delivery and drove like you wouldn't notice it until you mashed the gas.

A determining factor in choosing a stall would be to not get one that flashes below your cam's power band, right? Right in the middle of the power band? Also, the truck weighs about 3500 pounds. Would a 2800-3000 stall converter work well?

One more thing. I just realized I have a 625 cfm Street Demon on my 340 Duster so I will have that to play with. The Duster is farther out than the truck is. I'm still piecing it together.

@RustyRatRod I just finished blacking out the core behind the grill and installed the grille so I am about to figure out that headlight bucket situation.
 

@RustyRatRod I just finished blacking out the core behind the grill and installed the grille so I am about to figure out that headlight bucket situation.

Ok cool. Keep me posted and we'll see what kinda novel he can write about headlight buckets. lol
 
There is nothing wrong with a 224/110 cam; I got 32 mpgs with one; cruising with gears the equivalent of 65=1600; but it took a boatload of ignition timing, that you cannot get out of the distributor by itself.
Oh and my 68 Barracuda slices thru the air pretty easily compared to say, a 76 D100, lol.
So I know that cam has the potential to make great fuel economy. The only problem with it is ; mine had 53* of overlap, so it really wanted to be up at 2000/2200............. which I obliged by traveling at up to 85=2100 keeping up with traffic.
I remember how my Uncles used to brag at Family Gatherings in the early 60s, that their old Buicks and Oldsmobiles used less gas at 85mph than at 65. Now I sorta know why.

The model that I outlined, was for; power with economy and a killer first gear. It's just a model, based on my life experiences. It was precipitated by your saying that you already have an adjustable valve gear (which doesn't usually come cheap), and your close to sea-level elevation (which puts you a leg up in the pressure-making business, over most of us). Blessed with these, your 328 at 9.75Scr, will feel and be more powerful, than a similarly-cammed lo-compression 360, at 1000 ft, at least from idle to maybe 3600rpm. The 360, according to the Wallace, at 1000ft, would need an Scr of 9.3 to better your sealevel combo, below about that 3600rpm. But even thus matched, your 318 has the potential to get better fuel-economy.
 
I live up in the mountains in n San Diego County. I reside at about 3,500 feet. The highest elevation I would drive would be at 5,000 but going toward town (SD) it just goes down hill all the way down to the beach. The 60 ft above sea level you are referencing is anywhere along the beach to a mile inland.
I have been looking at 46RH transmissions since starting this thread and it’s something for the back burner. If one pops up for cheap I’ll snag it but I will need to stick with my 727 for now.
 
I live up in the mountains in n San Diego County. I reside at about 3,500 feet. The highest elevation I would drive would be at 5,000 but going toward town (SD) it just goes down hill all the way down to the beach. The 60 ft above sea level you are referencing is anywhere along the beach to a mile inland.
I have been looking at 46RH transmissions since starting this thread and it’s something for the back burner. If one pops up for cheap I’ll snag it but I will need to stick with my 727 for now.


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Going to talk to a converter builder and order a 3:23 r&p soon. Waiting to get the pushrods. I also have Comp Cams Pro Magnum rockers.

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I think it should run great . And you should be fine with 3.23 and those tall tires . Of course if your freeway drivers are like ours 70mph is crawling . I swapped 2.76s into my Barracuda and still run 3200+ rpms on the freeway . Thats with 225/70-14s though . Your truck is too heavy for 2.76s. It would be a dog .
If you go with an OD trany ( which I would since its an easy install in a truck ) I would go 3.55s or 3.91s because of the tall tires... that is assuming you need to buy gears anyway .

.74 OD = 2500 rpm running 3.55s and 28" tires
 
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