old school 340 cam help

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I don't see an .083 gasket in the on line look up but there are several .086 and .080
one has a 4.080 bore for his 4.070 bore motor
not much crevice more than that on the piston down to the top ring
I guess he could use a shim and a gasket like the re-builders do (even worse)
He could open the chambers to 4.070 to get the compression down or others have suggest cutting the pistons
Evidently someone sold him on the 318 idea
and evidently there is no going back on this build--
he has not said what happened to the old heads
 
Talking streeters;
Having experienced a tight-Q 367 engine since 1999, I would never build any other kind,now.
With open chamber heads this becomes rather expensive. It can be done in a couple of different ways, but no matter how you do it, you are stuck with the crevice volume, and a lot of exposed metal in that chamber, none of which contribute to the making of power or fuel economy; and all of which are probably gonna make it detonation prone, at the compression ratios required to optimize any performance cam.
This doesn't mean that you can not build a 340 with pop-ups and open chamber heads. It just means careful planning and a lot of machining. If you can find a machine-shop that can do the job right .... the first time...... then it becomes doable.
In my case tho,not one out of three shops could get it right, and all three were big-name shops out here. So I am done with multiple machinings. I would sooner pay triple for the proper pistons to make the tight-Q happen, than take a chance again on machining.
To that end also,I would not use an open chamber head .
The thing is, this can get expensive, what with new closed chamber heads and custom pistons. These costs are offset somewhat by not having the machining costs, but it's still gonna cost more.
One of the payoffs is more flexibility in camshaft selection. If you engineer it right, you can have the compression ratio adjustable by the headgasket thickness, and still be operating within the tight-Q effective range. So if you don't pick the right cam the first time, you can go up or down one cam size..... and not have to tear the whole engine down again to optimize it. That gives you about a 3 cam range which is just doable.
If you built with open chamber heads,
firstly; it's gonna be pricey to get into the Tight-Q zone, and you're not gonna want to destroy that with a thicker gasket.
and secondly;You can still install a bigger cam,but you will lose some bottom end. And perhaps that will cost you a new TC or more rear gear, neither of which are particularly street-friendly
Do you have to have tight-Q? NO! But if you are already spending $3500 or $4000 on a performance build,another $1000 will make it a real ripper ........ without putting bandaids on it, that make it less street friendly.
If the bottom end is already bought and paid for, and open chamber heads are now more or less mandatory, Then the trick is to stay away from the Q's detonation prone zone of .050 to .080.... Which with factory big-port heads is pretty easy,lol. You end up with a little less compression than you mightta hoped for; so then you just have to work around that with the ICA, or the bandaids of stall and gear.... and then an overdrive becomes a big attraction.
So then;having Tight-Q is not a deal-breaker. I'm just never going back there.
Having an SBM WITH tight-Q, that spins 295s to 60 plus mph with 3.23s and a 223 cam.......trapped easy at 106, and made mileage in the high 20s USg with an overdrive,
kinda spoiled me.
 
The .083" gaskets ARE the horrendous crevice volume. Still though the OP is a hit and run and has not addressed the reason for not just sticking another .509" in there. WTF?. J.Rob
 

not a hit and runner... have a busy life. and that's exactly what I am going to do.. looking on the brite side. I got an expensive set of paperweights...
 
Someone ought to want some larger valved mildly ported 318 heads.... new guides and such ought to be worth something.

Going back to the race gas too? Sounds like it...
 
yup.. those will go to anyone who wants them...I will go back to what worked for me.. I am just a back yarder here.so with letting out the clutch and stomping on the gas and being able to smoke the tires..who wouldn't go back to that? I am old school.. the only meter I have is a seatofthepantsmeter...
 
If you are near LA I have a stack of heads cached
I think some with hard seats and guides already
 
If you go back to that big cam deal, with iron heads, consider the 284/292/108 and bring the Scr down achieve 160/165psi so you can run pump gas. This will need about 10.4/10.5 Scr. You will lose a fair bit of power on top, but the bottom should stay hot enough, and you can use pump gas, and she will drive quite a bit further on a given quantity of gas. For a streeter, loosing power at 5700 is not a big deal, cuz you usually only go there once on the way to 65 mph, and the tires are spinning anyway, even with a smaller cam.
In your case, you will get there twice with 3.91s, but the second time you will be at about 6100 in second gear, and of course still spinning. This means that you could probably drop down at least one rear gear to 3.73s, and hit 65 at 5800, a pretty good match for that 284 cam. This will add yet more mpds (miles per dollar) .

If you wanna keep the 12.5Scr, consider aluminum heads. I have run my Eddies at near 200psi on pump-gas. Your 12.5 will run that at least, with the 292/108. The aluminum heads might bump your 12.5 up a tad; so perhaps a combo of Dome removal and al heads may be needed. I ran my 367 at 11.3Scr with that 292/108. Did I mention on 87E10? lol. I think she was making 185psi.
So, for you,11.5Scr and an ICA of 58* on that 284/292/108..... will get you 200psi on the nose..... With a killer VP of 167. That is more low-rpm performance than a 68 440 Magnum. You can run 3.55s with that, maybe even 3.23s
I can't say for sure if that will run on 91 gas, but it will be close.
I have more power than I can use ,now at 180psi/VP of 153 (276/286/110* cam), and I highly recommend that 185psi...... cuz it runs like a scalded cat on 87E10..... 93mph in the 1/8th at 3467 raceweight, spinning most of the way, it was told to me.
 
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ok a/j thanks for all the info. a lot of that is really over my head but I get the jist of it..i think I saw a racer brown cam in that ballpark..
 
274 xe from comp..under .500 lift.
small for a healthy 340 in my opinion. yep
just a little bit bigger than the 340 cam with the lobes squeezed together chevy mass production grind
XE274 HL is a completely different animal
incidentally 440 source sells a 274xe and says it's to replace the Mopar Performance 484 IMHO not so -the 440 source is also an .842 lifter cam
440 source's smallest .904 lobe cam is their 231/237 .525 lift cam HE274HL style
 
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