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Detroit Iron

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Rear End Specialties in Santa Clara Ca did this. I have an issue with everything they've done for me over the years. This time I go to replace my pinion seal in a rear end they set up for me years ago and I find this. I mean, what's wrong with Loctite? This pisses me off.

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Yeah, staking at each point of the nut works so well that it's in the FSM... I can only imagine what sort of things they could make happen with setting up a crush sleeve eliminator.
 
Rear End Specialties in Santa Clara Ca did this. I have an issue with everything they've done for me over the years. This time I go to replace my pinion seal in a rear end they set up for me years ago and I find this. I mean, what's wrong with Loctite? This pisses me off.

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I want to give this post a big ol' red x (for the weld), and a big ol' "like" (for the "This pisses me off"), so....

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And...

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I took the rear driveshaft from my Bronco to a local shop a few years back to have it rebuilt and balanced. I was told 2-3 days maximum and around $300.00. Two weeks, a boatload of excuses and $440.00 later I finally got it back. Never deal with that place again.
 
Well yes and no. They are the only source for this sort of service around here. Or at least they used to be. THEN, they changed ownership, so I felt like I'd give them another try. So there you have it.
I understand. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do and hope for the best.
 
I've never built a rear end. Is the nut supposed to be staked when you have the pinion set?
 
Yeah, staking at each point of the nut works so well that it's in the FSM... I can only imagine what sort of things they could make happen with setting up a crush sleeve eliminator.
Sorry but the FSM is just a “guide.”
If it were 100% correct there would be not reason for updates, changes and technical bulletins let alone recalls.

But I agree- seriously welding it? What douches.
 
I've never built a rear end. Is the nut supposed to be staked when you have the pinion set?
I don't believe that procedure is in the service manual. If you look at how the nut bottoms out, there are several threads exposed on the outside of the nut. For a stake to be effective, you'd have to ruin those several threads with half of the stake. A stake should only be used when the nut is almost flush with the end of the pinion shaft. It's almost as if a washer was left off. If they used a washer and still had that many threads exposed, I would have endorsed double stacking two washers and a proper stake, before tack welding. IMO, in this instance, a stake is actually worse than the tack weld. Those nuts were prevailing lock nuts from the factory. In other words the outside hole was "squished" a little oval so that the nut had an interference fit. Although I've never seen it in print, I believe those are really only supposed to be used one time and then replaced. They obviously knew that the nut fit more loosely than it was supposed to, or they would have never tack welded it. I guess if they didn't have access to a new nut, that was the best that they could come up with.......but "best" is pretty objective. lol
 
I agree with the RRR’s post. It clearly explains why they used the tack weld. Whether it’s in the FSM or not it is a reasonable solution. They wanted to ensure the car didn’t come back. You’re not doing the job yourself anyway so what’s with all the outrage and indignation?

Just drive the car and have peace of mind that the nut won’t back out.
 
I agree with the RRR’s post. It clearly explains why they used the tack weld. Whether it’s in the FSM or not it is a reasonable solution. They wanted to ensure the car didn’t come back. You’re not doing the job yourself anyway so what’s with all the outrage and indignation?

Just drive the car and have peace of mind that the nut won’t back out.
I get that they're trying to insure it's not gonna be a yo yo job, but I agree with what's stated above, done property I don't really see how that could come loose so the weld seems like something from the "use more blue RTV if you can't use blue RTV properly" crowd.

Torque transfers from u joint to pinion via splines, the nut is there to hold the bearing preload method together, not carrying any force from the power train.

But as mentioned, I have little experience in the area.
 

I've changed several pinion oil seals including 489 crush sleeves, and have never had a factory nut act like it wanted to back off.
 
I don't believe that procedure is in the service manual. If you look at how the nut bottoms out, there are several threads exposed on the outside of the nut. For a stake to be effective, you'd have to ruin those several threads with half of the stake. A stake should only be used when the nut is almost flush with the end of the pinion shaft. It's almost as if a washer was left off. If they used a washer and still had that many threads exposed, I would have endorsed double stacking two washers and a proper stake, before tack welding. IMO, in this instance, a stake is actually worse than the tack weld. Those nuts were prevailing lock nuts from the factory. In other words the outside hole was "squished" a little oval so that the nut had an interference fit. Although I've never seen it in print, I believe those are really only supposed to be used one time and then replaced. They obviously knew that the nut fit more loosely than it was supposed to, or they would have never tack welded it. I guess if they didn't have access to a new nut, that was the best that they could come up with.......but "best" is pretty objective. lol
100% agree. And, if my memory serves me (I had this built 15+ years ago) I brought them the parts kit because I wanted to be sure they used Timken bearings. I don't remember, but don't some of those kits come with a new "interference" nut? Now I'm wondering... I'm going to look it up...
 
I agree with the RRR’s post. It clearly explains why they used the tack weld. Whether it’s in the FSM or not it is a reasonable solution. They wanted to ensure the car didn’t come back. You’re not doing the job yourself anyway so what’s with all the outrage and indignation?

Just drive the car and have peace of mind that the nut won’t back out.
I just brought them the unit to press bearings and set up the lash. My frustration with this particular situation is it isn't serviceable. So yeah I'm going to bust the weld and proceed.
 
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