Solenoid Vacuum Valve?

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I just got a 72 D100 with a 318 auto. It idles so high in park that I have to hit the brakes hard to put it in drive. The tires chirp when I put it in gear. There are several vacuum and vent lines that are not connected (see pic). I got a the correct rebuilt BBD 2 barrel so I can hook everything back up, but the service manual shows a solenoid vacuum valve between the carb and the distributor. Where do I get this part? Do I need to get this part? Internet searches show no results for this.
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The vacuum lines being disconnected and excess air is probably why the idle speed is so high. Cap all the open fittings on the carburetor and disconnect and plug the vacuum line to the distributor first. Check to see the throttle is stepping off the fast idle cam and that the curb idle speed isn't cranked up too high. You'll have to get the idle speed down to check the timing. There may also be another vacuum leak at play, or the timing could be set sky high, but try the aforementioned first. I recommend re-curving the distributor and removing anything that resembles orifice control spark advance for starters. It looks like your spark advance is already unhooked, it will need to or connected to ported vacuum on the carburetor when it’s reconnected.
 
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They might be available, but I wouldn't bother. It's an emissions part. You have a vacuum leak somewhere causing the high idle, like Garrett said. A good tune up and a good advance curve with a little more initial timing than factory will help. Run that hose to the distributor vac advance.
 
I agree. It looks like a version of the OSAC. If so, that really kills response. Super annoying.
Read about it here if you want.
1973 Imperial and  Chrysler Clean Air System Reference Service Repair Book from the Master Technician's Service Conference (Session 302)

So just take the hose from the ported source on the carb to the vacuum advance on the distributor.
If there is a T for operating a flap in the snorkel, that's OK, you can keep that.

If you want to post the distributor advance specs from the back of the electrical section, it will be easier to say whether more initial timing is worth a experimenting with.
 
You have a vacuum leak somewhere. Something else to check-----------some 72's had EGR EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS NO EXTERNAL EGR valve. The first year EGR was simply jets drilled into the floor of the intake, connecting the intake plenum with the head crossover. Perhaps those are rusted out enlarged, whatever.

Otherwise get yourself a scrap piece of hose such as 3/8, with the engine idling as well and slow as you can get it, run the end of the scrap hose around, while holding the other end near your ear. You WILL hear vacuum leak or other air/ exhaust leak!!!

Make CERTAIN the throttle linkage is not binding. Look over the linkage of the carb itself, make certain the fast idle mechanism is not holding the butterlflies open. Inspect the kickdown and throttle cable closely or disconnect them. If that gives no result, remove the carb, look through to a light and make sure the blades are closing.

Make certain a gasket or other part of the engine is not holding the linkage / butterflies open

Otherwise, go through and plug off the vacuum hoses, using scrap bolts or whatever, and see if one of them is causing it.

Re-re-re -re check your timing, although if it's advanced way too far I don't know how it would start

disconnect the vacuum advance hose and make sure you did not connect the distributor to "full" vacuum

And I agree with others. Unless you must pass a nit-picky state emissions inspection, you do not need that valve.
 
BTW, care to share some pics? I love ‘72 & ‘73 Dodge pickups. If budget allows, an edelbrock performer, Weiand action plus/stealth, or factory iron four barrel manifold with a 570 to 650 cfm carb is a tremendous improvement on a bone stock eighteen. Just be sure to run a compression test beforehand (You always need to have a good compression test on file anyway) to check overall engine health first.
 
You have a vacuum leak somewhere. Something else to check-----------some 72's had EGR EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS NO EXTERNAL EGR valve. The first year EGR was simply jets drilled into the floor of the intake, connecting the intake plenum with the head crossover. Perhaps those are rusted out enlarged, whatever.

Otherwise get yourself a scrap piece of hose such as 3/8, with the engine idling as well and slow as you can get it, run the end of the scrap hose around, while holding the other end near your ear. You WILL hear vacuum leak or other air/ exhaust leak!!!

Make CERTAIN the throttle linkage is not binding. Look over the linkage of the carb itself, make certain the fast idle mechanism is not holding the butterlflies open. Inspect the kickdown and throttle cable closely or disconnect them. If that gives no result, remove the carb, look through to a light and make sure the blades are closing.

Make certain a gasket or other part of the engine is not holding the linkage / butterflies open

Otherwise, go through and plug off the vacuum hoses, using scrap bolts or whatever, and see if one of them is causing it.

Re-re-re -re check your timing, although if it's advanced way too far I don't know how it would start

disconnect the vacuum advance hose and make sure you did not connect the distributor to "full" vacuum

And I agree with others. Unless you must pass a nit-picky state emissions inspection, you do not need that valve.
Unless like you stated the vacuum advance is connected to a source below the butterfly valves. Then it will be retarded enough to start but immediately go to full vacuum advance (seventeen to twenty plus degrees) once it gets running.
 
BTW, care to share some pics? I love ‘72 & ‘73 Dodge pickups. If budget allows, an edelbrock performer, Weiand action plus/stealth, or factory iron four barrel manifold with a 570 to 650 cfm carb is a tremendous improvement on a bone stock eighteen. Just be sure to run a compression test beforehand (You always need to have a good compression test on file anyway) to check overall engine health first.

Thanks for the all the advice FABO. I will work on it. I have a lot to learn.
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I can't get over how much "new" is still left on that truck. How many miles and does it still have the 7 by 9 inch build data sticker under the left side hood? Looks to throttle valve linkage for an automatic, and I'm guessing 8-3/4 rear axle?
 
It was a one owner 48,000 mile truck. I wasn't ready for another vehicle, but couldn't pass it up. I may restore it in a couple years. The sticker is still on the hood but is not legible. It is a 318 auto with a 8-3/4" open rear.
 
Agree- unless you have a vacuum leak, you should be able to adjust the distributor advance and the idle speed/mixture to get a reasonable 700-800 idle sped.

Might as well hook up a vacuum gauge while you're at it, even a temporary one will help.
 
Since you didn't mention anything about unusual running characteristics, or a stinky exhaust, my guesses are
1) the timing is very advanced, or
2) that the throttle blades are simply not parking where they should be parking. Which is up the transfer slots, exposing them to be about square.

a) As to the why of these, that you will have to figure out.
b) As to timing, the flyweights could be stuck, or the springs broken,
c) As to the throttles;It could be as simple as she be stuck on the fast-idle cam, or the curb-idle is cranked in too far. It could be a failed or maladjusted anti-diesel solenoid. Or the throttles are hung open by a base gasket, or the KD linkage. Or a failed PCV system.

The reason I suggest the above, is that, if you had a vacuum leak, all by itself, there is no fuel in that air, so it's dry air. When dry air is introduced,
Two or three things are gonna happen;
1) If the idling engine is already rich, yes the rpm will pick up. Then you will go and back off the speed screw, closing the transfers. The engine will go lean, and so you will increase the fuel from the mixture screws. So now it is idling half decent. But as soon as you put it in gear, she will want to stall. You didn't mention any of this.
2) If in the idling engine, the AF ratio is already normal, then extra dry-air will slow it down and the exhaust will get stinky. You didn't mention this either.
3) If the engine is idling lean, and you introduce dry air, it will slow down and run rough.
In ALL cases, the idle speed can be changed with idle timing. But, in the narrow range you are likely to be working in, it will affect the idle quality very little.

But if the flyweights inside the D are stuck in full advance, or the Vacuum advance is engaged, then you will also have a very fast idling engine., with usually no adverse idling characteristics. And the telltale of that is the increased torque, which chirps the tires when going into gear.
Some of these maladies have already been mentioned; but now you know the why of it.
Happy hunting
 
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The idle was too high because the fast idle cam was not dropping. It is free but gravity doesn't drop it when I hit the throttle. It is OK to add a little weight on the lever? I bought a timing light to check my timing. It is 5 degrees above zero at idle.
 
The idle was too high because the fast idle cam was not dropping. It is free but gravity doesn't drop it when I hit the throttle. It is OK to add a little weight on the lever? I bought a timing light to check my timing. It is 5 degrees above zero at idle.
Get some aerosol carb cleaner and spray the fast idle cam and linkage. It is designed to move freely and is probably just gummed up. Don't lube it.
 
It's probably not dropping because the choke bimetal hasn't warmed up enough.
There's two settings that could cause this.
One is the basic choke setting.
Second is the fast idle cam adjustment.
Every carb choke setup is a little different,

This page may be helpful
Carburetion Fundamentals & Facts (Session 273) from the Master Technician's Service Conference

5° BTC at idle would be fine starting point.
But 5° BTC at fast idle rpm would be retarded.
Specs for for initial timing are in the last pages of the electrical section, under each distributor. But the idle rpm is in the fuel section. Techs were expected to adjust a couple degrees either direction for local conditions.
 
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You want to remove the screw that holds it on and clean everything with carb cleaner. Spray everything with light oil (slick50 synthetic spray works great) on reassembly. Well, plus what they said, lagging this morning...
 

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