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    Ok good to know... Maybe I can hide it in my Cool Can... wouldn´t that be cool... :)
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    DETAIL ON THIS ENGINE
    Shown here is an interesting detail... to me i.e. :). It looks like a retainer is holding the wire separator, and it would surprise me if this retainer is specially made for this application. Looks like the retainer is hold in place by one of the bolts, that is holding the coil.
    I think the 440 from around this time, has one bolted to the drivers side exhaust bolt, at #1 cylinder. Not sure how it looks though.
    If this wire separator was put on by the owner, or came with the car from Hurst, I of cause don´t know either...
    Question is was there a retainer in any other engine application in ´67-68, that might be use fule here?
    I start with you guys, before I begin digging for old pics of this detail.
    Thank You.

    WireSeparator.jpg
     
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    What picture is that?? My question is why the bracket painted? These engines are painted as an assembly...that bracket it held on using a coil mounting bolt and the coil or its bracket is not painted. That means that bracket was painted all on its own and then installed. That is not how Chrysler did things. Also somebody masked off the black rubber coating where the wires fit into and then painted the bracket....also this is not how Chrysler did things.
    Just my 2 cents, Troy
     
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    Well I first saw this photo from early ´68 of Bill Bagshaw´s Dart a couple of years ago, and it is a good sours for my project. It was recently also posted by 66340SEDAN some where on this Forum. Thank You...
    Anyways... like I said this may just be a retainer taken from a BB or SB, thus painted...
    As for the other thing that dosen´t look like as delivered, the car has been in the possession of Mr. Bagshaw for a week, two or three, what do I know, but we know all kinds of modifications and preparations was done for the track as soon as it came to their shop.
    As for the wire separator, may it be the typ that is pressed on to the retainer?
    Now lets see if anyone can recognize the retainer and the wire separator from another late sixties engine...
     
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    It seems there are a number of different wire separators on the Street Hemi, the ´65 Race Hemi and on the ´68 SS Engine.
    On the Street Hemi of cause they came from the factory. On the SS-cars, may be, may be not...
    I need to find a guy who know what a Big Block in a production car locks like from the factory, when it comes to spark plug wire retainers, and see if I can use one on them...
    When I look at the left retainer, on the Street Hemi, may be this is the one. Flip it and lay it flat with separators facing upwards and bolt it on... Maybe this is how I do it, if no one stepp forward and tells it like it is.

    ´65 Race Hemi
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    ´68 Race Hemi
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    Street Hemi
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      Kinda funny.....Bill had a little Direct Connection shop called ProParts. I worked there for a few years back in the early 90s. He and I would talk about these old cars and so on. Bills attention to detail back then was second to none. He won many best engeniered awards back in his day. With all that being said I can see Bill adding little touches like that to his engines.
       
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      Troy, that is cool. Was he of any help when you build your Dart. I mean did you consult him?
      When I come to think of it... retainer was put on at the shop, and a longer bolt was needed...
      Well... I don´t know...
       
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      And it seems Jim´s Auto Parts may have the wire bracket I´m looking for...
       
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      I built my Dart long after I worked at ProParts. I have talked to Bill a few times sence then but not about cars.
       
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      Another picture for you for reference, not sure if it helps. 1968 Charger, street hemi:
      http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/attachments/249_4949-jpg.1714962563/
       
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      I took a look at the Mule Car. It has some sort of wire separators, but more of a temporary, universal type. Question is did Hurst mount Street Hemi wire separators, or did guys do that when preparing the racer in the garage...
      20160920_101138[1]MuleWireSep.jpg
       
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        By the way Troy, how did you do this... you are welcome to post a pic of the engine compartment :)
         
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        By the way Troy, how did you do this... you are welcome to post a pic of the engine compartment :)[/QUOTE]

        I used a 1968 "round" wire separated like the one above. These were common in 1968. They are round and thin....about the size or a 50 cent piece. Every 90 degrees there is a spot to hold a wire.

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          image.jpeg Here is a picture of one.

          Sorry but the picture above does not have the wire holder on it.
           
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            :) well I did look for a while.
            Looks real nice... Thanks
             
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            WHELL WELLS
            First I was gonna go with Semi Gloss Black. I like the look of that color, but have now change my mined. Since primer is more ´68-69 than black or body color, so I will cover this Black Epoxy coat with Grey Primer.
            20160922_154804[1]HjulhusFramL.jpg

            The FLOOR
            Well floor is in grey primer, but except for the area under dash board, covered by the Floor Mats. But I´m not sure how I´m gonna do this part... Will Floor Mats cover this electric wire protection sheet metal... I think not, so that part has to be in Gray Primer... right? But part at the door will be covered, from what I understand.
            And than a piece of Floor Mats Extension, just thrown in there where the rear seat used to be... :) Well not quite, but I try not to pay to much attention to details, like over do it, that was part of what was done by the Hurst Guys...
            20160922_160001[1]elPlåtBak.jpg
             
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            sorry one post is enough...
             
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            This weekend I'll pull my car out and take some pictures of what I did. Should answer some of your questions of what covers what.
             
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            Yes, look forward to seeing that...
            Thanks
             
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            Here are a few photos of what I believe to be the way the interior was painted. You have to remember that they were painted very fast and easy. They did not even mask off the trunk rails or 1/4 panel from the door jam area. The new that the racers were going to paint there cars there colors.

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              Under dash photo.

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                Another.

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                    Trunk area.

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