SS/B Barracuda project

Discussion in 'SUPER STOCK HEMI Barracuda and Dart forum' started by SSing, Oct 10, 2014.

  1. davescuda

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    Its is hard to find info on theses car, But this is a great post for info, Lets keep it going. I am helping with a SS barracuda build and trying to find info is not the easiest thing thats for sure. Looking for front rotors and alternator number, correct brake master offset bracket. Original master cylinder brake hoses to make the lines. How did they run the battery cable? I have a bunch more...
     
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    I also talked to HemiEddie on those headers He said they had no parts number on them, from my research all Hooker headers had numbers. What do you guys think?
     
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    It seems some people still drop by and, well I don´t know how it works, but there have been a few new views it seems.
    If this is the case and with respect for your interest in the build, I´ll show a few picks of what´s going on.

    I´m starting where I left, with this article about Ramchargers, from 1969. Jere Stahl is Technical Editor so I´ll go with what is says.

    20180421 Hooker sep69 Ramc artic.jpg
     
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      Seat Brackets… now let´s see…

      No, you can´t make these brackets fit properly.
      I think vendor who made these brackets messed up…
      Look at the pics and see for yourself.

      20180908 Blueprint compare nr1.jpg
      Blueprint in the ´68 SS Hemi Guide says 12 3/10” between holes. Same measurement as in the floor. This narrower part of the bracket was meant to face towards floor. Not like Hurst had to bolt them, because Vendor made them wrong.
      Measurement between holes in bracket is some 11 9/16”.
      Alu stripe to left is something I use between bracket and seat frame.
      Holes should have been drilled half an inch from end.

      20180908 Seat Alu Bracket nr2.jpg
      20180908 Bracket to floor compare nr3.jpg
      Another picture of what went wrong. Holes should have been drilled a little further apart in the bracket.
      Distance between holes in floor is 12 3/10” like blueprint says bracket should have had.

      Time and money was ruling this whole project now, once it was on the go...
      "Just bolt the darn seats to the floor".
       
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      Well, I´m going to rant some more about these alu. seat brackets that I doubt was made for the A-100 seats used.
      I think everything was planned and checked as to how these cars was to be build, prior to the final decision Chrysler made to go ahead and do it. It means Tarozzi or whoever made the blueprint did not have the A-100 seat in mind at the time. This is late 1967 I suppose.
      A look at the seat used in the Mule Car seems to be the seat used in the Porsche Speedster and looks like this.
      20180918 porschestolar22.jpg
      Seat bracket looks to be covered by something, but could very well be something similar to what they than looked like.
      Than something happened, and Chrysler change their mind about the seat and used the A-100 seat. Maybe weight was already down enough. Maybe cost of the Porsche seat was to high??
      Again, the wide part of the bracket does not fit the seat rail. But if you look at the ´65 SS cars, wide side is up and narrow side of the bracket is bolted to floor.
      Pic of what the Speedster seat looks underneath.
      20180919 speedsterunder.jpg
      The narrow part of the bracket do fit the seat rail, but not in the utter nuts, so not in an optimal way. Probably by pure coincidence, or by a last minute change at the vendor.
      Enough of this now, since this will not change the way I´m going to bolt these seats. Just would interesting to know how all this came to be.
       
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      Interesting....
      I used the repop brackets but I don’t remember who’s they are. To me they did fit the contour of the floor and the seat but I did need to relocate the holes. I welded up the holes....drilled new ones and I was done. Sorry your having these problems.
       
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      Well, not a problem really. Just an observation. What you did, what I´m going to do and what Hurst did is basically the same thing. Put the parts together, fitting or not, PUNCH (yes according to a reliable source) holes in the floor and bolt the seat tight.
      My observations are correct, but how it all came to be this way, no idea of cause... but yes interesting.
       
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      A couple more pics of the bucket seat less upholstery from the Porsche 356 Speedster.
      20180919Speedster less apholst.jpg
      20180919 Speedster under.jpg
       
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      So we’re clear I changed the holes in the brackets....not the floor.
       
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      Yes, you said that, but what I meant was the guys at Hurst fixed whatever problem occurred.
      As for the seat brackets, I´m quite sure Hurst did not touched them in terms of drilling new holes…
       
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      One would think at least one bolt and a hole in the floor should match, but due to the width of the bracket and how they are bolted to the seat, it rides on the tunnel and profile on witch bench seat is to be bolted. But I let the pictures show what I´m trying to explain.
      Here is how bracket is bolted to the seat.
      20181007 Hurst bracket to seat.jpg
      the rail along the side of the seat is lower than rail going across front and back of the seat. This means alu bracket is not bolted level to seat, since rear of bracket is bolted in the rail going across of the seat in the back. Anyway this give holes (to floor) in the bracket a certain "bolt pattern" witch is important.

      20181007 bracket to seat alu plate.jpg
      I use an alu plate to level bracket to the seat. Since my project is as raced first season, this my very well have been done to move seat in a more comfortable position. I can now move seat on brackets without unbolt the brackets to the floor if I want to move seat forward.

      20181007 Hurst orig..jpg
      This is how Hurst bolted the seat. Front right bolt in original hole in floor.
      "Someone" very recently told me a spacer/pad may have been used. (No all cars may have been alike as we know) I assume this is way. To clear left side (right on photo) of the bracket to the floor profile.
      A new hole just behind and to the right (left in pic)of the original hole (arrows) in floor was punched. See last picture.

      orig. seat brack and spacers.jpg
      Very early picture of driver side bracket showing inner edge of bracket is not bolted down in carpet. Spacer is used?
      This also show front of (left) bracket is tucked up in seat as described in first pic.

      20180422 seat driver front and rear left.jpg
      This is driver side left bracket mounting holes seen from underneath.
      This very early picture shows exactly that. The larger hole in the center of the reinforcement is original hole in floor. Next empty hole just behind and to the right was done at Hurt (compare second pic above) The owner of this car has moved the seat back 2 some inches.
      Also looks like a new hole in the alu bracket has been drilled in the rear of the bracket to use reinforcement in the floor.
       
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        And this is what the seat mounting pads look like.
        As I understand Chrysler used these for the bench seat mounting in their production cars. I have never seem them before.
        Picture is taken from Classic Industries.
        20181007 seat br pads.jpg
         
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        NOT FACTORY CORRECT BUT SHOCK ABSORBER RUBBERS WORK FOR THAT TOO.