I'm thinkin it weighs more than that but someone correct me if I'm wrong, that just seems to light.
I agree unless he has done some major lighting he isn't that low. He also needs to consider sub frame connectors if he is really thinking bb.
I'm thinkin it weighs more than that but someone correct me if I'm wrong, that just seems to light.
I'll go along with that. This means that a 350 SS Chevelle is not a muscle car.Simple: Factory intermediate car with a big motor. NOT a Camaro or Mustang or Duster because they are "pony" cars and far too small. It needs to be something like a GTO, Road Runner, Chevelle, ect. Medium car, BIG engine. Personally, I think it is fun to stuff big power in a small car and what I end up calling it is F.A.S.T.
So my '69 Charger R/T is not a muscle car. 4000#/375HP=10.7Back when I was kid with my 70 GTX, my insurance agent said the definition of a muscle car was any car that had 1 horsepower for every 10 pounds of weight...at least that's what they based the premiums on back then.
what do you call modern day cars with a 100 less cubic inches, that can outrun the so called "muscle cars".
what do you call modern day cars with a 100 less cubic inches, that can outrun the so called "muscle cars".
Easy,
Ricers from HELL :-D
I'm thinkin it weighs more than that but someone correct me if I'm wrong, that just seems to light.
The first true muscle car was the Pontiac Tempest with the GTO package. 389 with tri power. The idea was to start putting the big motors of the full size cars into intermediate body styles.
Muscle is relative, I agree with that. I thought my 70 Challenger R/T 383, 4sp, 3.91 sure-grip was great. Had no power steering, brakes, or nothin'! I still remember the first time I drove it. (In 1978)
But, my neighbor had a 69 RR w/a six pack. When it was new, there was a problem w/ the end carbs. They would stick open, and when he jumped on the Schuylkill Expressway one time in Philly, he had to quick-think-what-to-do! How about sitting on the side of the highway, w/ a lift-off hood car, closing your six-pack carbs?! NICE! - That was muscle to be respected!
I bought my 87 5.0 Mustang new. In the late 80's, it was a rocket. It ran a best of 13.95 stock. There weren't many new cars that could do that then. They had been building junk since '72, w/ a few exceptions. Relatively, it was fast! I still own it. It'll run low 12's and I can drive it anywhere. But there's a lot faster stuff out there.
My newest will be my 71 Duster w/ a 360, 727 and a 4.10 gear. Will it be a muscle car? I'll find out!
IMO, the GTO back in the day may have gotten the title of first muscle car....and with good reason, but, if you go back in time and look at how the even in the 50's the big 3 started getting the engines to produce alot of power by compare to the earlier engines in a big way.
Chrysler came out with the early HEMI's and installed them in the 300's @ 1 hp per cube. That was enormous power back them. This started the HP wars.
I guess I would have to call my car a hot rod then because it wasn't given anything from the factory.
Ricers have more like 300 fewer cubic inches.
Musclecar = "Factory" built Hot rods!!!
The 55, 56 and 57 Hemi 300's were the first Muscle cars, I remember seeing an ad for an early 300 and it had Muscle in the title and I think that is where the name came from.
The name musclecar didn't become well know til the 64 GTO came out and I think it was the insurance companies that started categorizing them as Musclecars.
That's pretty much the way it is, cars like my Fish, my Dart, your car and every other A-Body that started life as a slant 6, 273 or 318 car were sold as economy cars and that is all they are no matter what power plant we have in them. They may have muscle now but they are concidered Street machines, Pro-Street, Hot Rods or what ever you want to call them but to say they are a real Musclecar is a little far fetched. To me that somewhat degrades the real Musclecars. You can stick a Hemi in a Dodge Cricket but it doesn't make it a Musclecar, it's still a Cricket.
I agree. However if I would get crazy, save some money, and stick in a nice beefed up 360 in my 74 Dodge Dart I think the label of economy car would be right out the door.
I agree. However if I would get crazy, save some money, and stick in a nice beefed up 360 in my 74 Dodge Dart I think the label of economy car would be right out the door.
And that is what makes "Hot Rodding" the car so much fun!You guys make some good points, though I disagree with some of you in regards to your definition of muscle especially when it comes to factory performance. I guess I would have to call my car a hot rod then because it wasn't given anything from the factory.
Musclecar = "Factory" built Hot rods!!!
The 55, 56 and 57 Hemi 300's were the first Muscle cars, I remember seeing an ad for an early 300 and it had Muscle in the title and I think that is where the name came from.
The name musclecar didn't become well know til the 64 GTO came out and I think it was the insurance companies that started categorizing them as Musclecars.
That's pretty much the way it is, cars like my Fish, my Dart, your car and every other A-Body that started life as a slant 6, 273 or 318 car were sold as economy cars and that is all they are no matter what power plant we have in them. They may have muscle now but they are concidered Street machines, Pro-Street, Hot Rods or what ever you want to call them but to say they are a real Musclecar is a little far fetched. To me that somewhat degrades the real Musclecars. You can stick a Hemi in a Dodge Cricket but it doesn't make it a Musclecar, it's still a Cricket.