drug poll cuz the other thread wont work..

[needsaresto]

/been trying to do a poll for 1/2 hour now! Sorry guys,cant seem to do the message body and the poll,my crampy hands dont work that well. Anyways,if you saw the other thread relating to my multiple sclerosis,oxy drugs not working and my Doc suggesting pot,dont read this message body unless your stoned and dont remember..

So there it is. My Doc thinks I should grow my own pot He is willing to fill out any papers. So I thought this poll would be a great idea,and so does Leanne!
First off,Im not ashamed to admit that the helper thread started by strokerscamp aint going well. Not many responses yet. Now I realise these are hard times,a Dart is a Luxury yes. But think of it this way. Your helping someone who will in all likelyhood NEVER get his car done without your help. Physically I can still make do but it just takes a long time. So Im blatently giving myself a plug and some exposure.

Im telling you,MS sucks. To get so close to realising the rebuild of my Dart,then get slapped down by a major disease. And then our govt wont provide treatment within the realm of the new Zamboni treatment. Frustration,rage so bad Ive taken it out on govt employees. Postal is a word that suites my mood many days.

I can still remember installing a 727 by myself from under the car before I got sick. I was always the strongest guy amongst my pears,not so much now. My 5 yr old knocks me over..

There is a link in my signature. It will take you to the lets help needsaresto thread. Please have a look see if you can help. There are many low cost items I need,besides the dream list stuff.Any help is appreciated.Anything at all..

 

[Grinder]

Its natural, and Ive smoked some pot that makes Vicodin seem like childrens asprin.

 

[SublimeDusterSK]

are people this stupid? are we serious here? there are more important things in life to gravitate to, other than methods to deny reality and limit your abilities. sorry to bust your balls here but, WTF?

 

[goldfish65]

are people this stupid? are we serious here? there are more important things in life to gravitate to, other than methods to deny reality and limit your abilities. sorry to bust your balls here but, WTF?

With all due respect, I think someone needs to bust your balls...unless you have walked in someone's shoes who is living with MS and has chronic severe pain. WTF indeed.

 

[greenhornet]

I would take your doc's advise and try it.. I've smoked some west coast weed that would put you in la-la land after the 2nd or 3rd hit.. I wouldnt mix any drugs or booze though...

 

[slantsixdan]

Me, I have had to deal with high-level pain (recurring kidney stones, surgery, etc.). Painkillers, I hate. They are all addictive, they all have crappy physical and psychological side effects—any of the codeinelike ones is guaranteed to really eff up my temper so I have to go away from any and all other people for a couple of days afterward, for example—but sometimes they are necessary. Then there are the times when they are completely inadequate. During my most recent kidney stone "adventure", on a couple of occasions taking a quadruple dose of oral painkillers was no use: they'd said to take one Demerol or one Percocet when the pain flared up; within 90 minutes I'd taken two Demerol and two Percocet and the only effect was that I forgot how to walk. Off to the hospital for I.V. morphine, which is highly effective but obviously not an everyday solution to chronic pain.

I have never found cannabis to be a particularly effective painkiller per se. I have, however, found that it can potentiate painkillers (i.e., make them more effective), probably due to its calming and dissociative effects. Also it helps maintain and/or stimulate appetite, which is one of the first things to go away when you are in serious pain—thus leading to dehydration and undernourishment, which in turn makes you feel all the worse, so there's something to be said for appetite stimulation. I've never grown pot—I leave that to the experts; it looks like a complicated and labour-intensive job to make them produce a worthwhile quantity and quality of product.

If your doctor's recommending cannabis, by all means give it a try. Keep in mind that smoking any plant material, even if you are filtering it thru water, is highly injurious to the lungs and can easily trigger very strong coughing fits, the muscular spasms of which can greatly aggravate body pain. Eating pot means not having to fill your lungs with crap, but it also means the entire day is shot to hell. Harm reduction by heating and vapourising rather than burning it is well worth the initial expense of the ]equipment for doing so.

Obviously, no driving.

 

[slantsixdan]

are people this stupid? are we serious here? there are more important things in life to gravitate to, other than methods to deny reality and limit your abilities. sorry to bust your balls here but, WTF?

Your reading comprehension is teh sux0r, dude. :roll:

 

[SublimeDusterSK]

ok, i had taken vicodin for years for the two damaged discs in my cervical and two discs in my lumbar. i know pain! i know what it is like loosing my ability to walk, falling down and pissing on myself. loosing your ability to function sux! i have fought through my pain have got myself off the drugs. well now that you mention the MS. which was not stated before...... or "i did not see it"... i'd say smoke the pot! for relief. you wont have the addiction problems or rot your teeth either. i see so many people who cannot handle their "easy lives" and resort to wasting themselves with substance abuses. i tried some really strong weed once for the wicked headaches that i would get from my neck. i personally did not like it. for seven years i couldn't rest well at all or sit and watch a movie, relax and read. i failed a suicide attempt. i would recommend anyone who is interested in living better and healthy. look into what "GARY NULL" has to say he is very successful at reversing the problems that the Docs cannot cure with drugs. drugs dont do anything but mask the problem. you need to fix the problem by other means. if you want to get better Research what Gary Null has to say. sadly 90% of Dr.s are F'ing idiots, trained by the big pharmaceutical companies. i wish you the best my friend.

 

[/6 Matt]

Me, I have had to deal with high-level pain (recurring kidney stones, surgery, etc.). Painkillers, I hate. They are all addictive, they all have crappy physical and psychological side effects—any of the codeinelike ones is guaranteed to really eff up my temper so I have to go away from any and all other people for a couple of days afterward, for example—but sometimes they are necessary. Then there are the times when they are completely inadequate. During my most recent kidney stone "adventure", on a couple of occasions taking a quadruple dose of oral painkillers was no use: they'd said to take one Demerol or one Percocet when the pain flared up; within 90 minutes I'd taken two Demerol and two Percocet and the only effect was that I forgot how to walk. Off to the hospital for I.V. morphine, which is highly effective but obviously not an everyday solution to chronic pain.

I have never found cannabis to be a particularly effective painkiller per se. I have, however, found that it can potentiate painkillers (i.e., make them more effective), probably due to its calming and dissociative effects. Also it helps maintain and/or stimulate appetite, which is one of the first things to go away when you are in serious pain—thus leading to dehydration and undernourishment, which in turn makes you feel all the worse, so there's something to be said for appetite stimulation. I've never grown pot—I leave that to the experts; it looks like a complicated and labour-intensive job to make them produce a worthwhile quantity and quality of product.

If your doctor's recommending cannabis, by all means give it a try. Keep in mind that smoking any plant material, even if you are filtering it thru water, is highly injurious to the lungs and can easily trigger very strong coughing fits, the muscular spasms of which can greatly aggravate body pain. Eating pot means not having to fill your lungs with crap, but it also means the entire day is shot to hell. Harm reduction by heating and vapourising rather than burning it is well worth the initial expense of the ]equipment for doing so.

Obviously, no driving.

I agree entirely, NO painkiller has ever worked for me without some sort of help from mary. I know that sounds wierd coming from a 17 year old, but it's true. I don't know what causes my joints to hurt the way they do, but no prescription or OTC painkiller I've been able to get my hands on has helped at all. I don't like using illegal substances, but my knees and back have hurt so bad at times that I've thrown up because of the pain. And I have no desire to screw around with the doctor prescribing every painkiller I've already tried, just so he can suggest i smoke pot in the end. Too many drugs, too much time, pain, suffering, money and side effects to get doctor approval.

In the end, if you dance with Mary Jane, don't dance too much or you'll get fat and/or stupid. Like Dan said, don't dance and drive.

 

[SublimeDusterSK]

I agree entirely, NO painkiller has ever worked for me without some sort of help from mary. I know that sounds wierd coming from a 17 year old, but it's true. I don't know what causes my joints to hurt the way they do, but no prescription or OTC painkiller I've been able to get my hands on has helped at all. I don't like using illegal substances, but my knees and back have hurt so bad at times that I've thrown up because of the pain.

In the end, if you dance with Mary Jane, don't dance too much or you'll get fat and/or stupid. Like Dan said, don't dance and drive.

i'd bet your diet has alot to do with your pain. do you smoke? i am asking because i learned the hard way!

here is a link: http://www.garynull.com/about-gary/

 

[67Dart273]

With all due respect, I think someone needs to bust your balls...unless you have walked in someone's shoes who is living with MS and has chronic severe pain. WTF indeed.

No, I think somebody needs to bust the OP He has at least three threads on here now relating to "let's have fun" and "mix some drugs"

This is not funny

This is not entertaining

This is not informative

It does not (really) seem to have any serious relationship to the MS the op allegedly has

 

[slantsixdan]

No, I think somebody needs to bust the OP He has at least three threads on here now relating to "let's have fun" and "mix some drugs" This is not funny This is not entertaining This is not informative It does not (really) seem to have any serious relationship to the MS the op allegedly has

You sound like someone fortunate enough never to have experienced serious and/or chronic pain. You have to find or make some humour in the situation; you have to laugh because otherwise you will scream. Also, please use your brain: Nobody jokes about having MS.

 

[greenhornet]

No, I think somebody needs to bust the OP He has at least three threads on here now relating to "let's have fun" and "mix some drugs"

This is not funny

This is not entertaining

This is not informative

It does not (really) seem to have any serious relationship to the MS the op allegedly has

Maybe he was fried when he posted the last two threads... I don't think the topic is funny, I watched my uncle suffer all his life with MS... Mixing anything isn't wise IMO..

 

[Gryzynx]

I've seen MS take people down. It's not pretty. Needsaresto, I can see the humor in this and glad to see you're keeping your spirit up. Hope there's some good days coming your way.

 

[67Dart273]

You sound like someone fortunate enough never to have experienced serious and/or chronic pain. You have to find or make some humour in the situation; you have to laugh because otherwise you will scream. Also, please use your brain: Nobody jokes about having MS.

Look slant, you don't know me or a damn thing about me nor do you know what I go through. If you had BOTHERED to look up the two? three? four? threads that the OP has started, you would have seen that in at least one of them he was asking us to tell us about the drugs we have mixed, how high we got, and "have fun with it."

Try this one right here:

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=121810

If you want to find "light" in MS, do so. DO NOT take light in things like "having fun with drugs" which is what the underlying thread is all about


Once again, I suggest you search and read what the OP has been posting here, today on this subject. Giggling around about throwing drugs in a pot is NOT funny.

 

[slantsixdan]

Look slant, you don't know me or a damn thing about me nor do you know what I go through.

You're right. I can only go by what you post here. Now if you're quite done preaching…?

 

[67Dart273]

You're right. I can only go by what you post here. Now if you're quite done preaching…?

No, I'm not. Wanna try me?

By the way, I noticed you have still not taken the time to read the other threads posted on this very disturbing topic, and having read some of the replies, it appears that I'm not the only one who is concerned with "having fun" with drugs.

 

[slantsixdan]

No, I'm not.

It was a rhetorical question. :-D

 

[/6 Matt]

i'd bet your diet has alot to do with your pain. do you smoke? i am asking because i learned the hard way!

here is a link: http://www.garynull.com/about-gary/

I haven't in I haven't in quite awhile because like I said, I don't like resorting to illegal substances, cause it's kind of illegal. That and I aquired a hot tub that does my joints wonders.

 

[megajoltman]

If his Doctor signs the Medicinal use of marijuana papers then it is legal for him to use it for pain relief so......

 

[/6 Matt]

WATCH OUT 67DART273!!!

Dan's beard tends to eat those who question his authority.:-D

Don't laugh! I though it was a rumor untill it almost happened to me, but I escaped it's fuzzy clutches at the last minute.:toothy10:

 

[Coryduran]

If you are going to go the pot route, vaporizing is the way to go, especially if you are concerned for your lungs. It is expensive to get the equipment to do it, but well worth the investment. I personally have never been prescribed marijuana for pain, other than a self prescription, but I mean it has worked for more minor things I have suffered from (fractured wrist, rolled ankle, etc)

 

[1BadDodge71]

I dont take any kind of drugs or painkillers whatsoever,I hope it stays like that for awhile,and sorry about your condition,resto.
But I did dabble into the devils lettuce once for a nagging toothache and it went away quick.Not only does it relieve some pain,it also gives you the desire to down a bag of Doritos.:-D

 

[HotLines]

I have two friends who live with MS, one lives in Thailand and have been my best friend since we were six, he teaches martial arts to the U.S. Navy Seals there. Some days he says are good and other days not good. My second friend is only in his early thirties and is an upcoming hand pinstriper and uses medical marijuana which he says eases his pain and keeps him working. I myself am very fortunate not to have MS yet I do have lower back pain and arthritis and the herb keeps me smiling and pain free as I too have a medical marijuana card. MS isn't a joke and neither is marijuana which helps.
I know there are many here who drink and have their own view of herb but do they know that beer kills more teenagers in this country then all the illicit drugs put together and sooner of later they will realize what works and what does not work. I am in my late sixties and do not drink, smoke cigarettes or do any pharmaceutical drugs what so ever.

 

[LH23H2R]

Let me preface my reply and opinion by stating the following :

I've long had lower back problems ( spinal , primarily ) as well as muscle and nerve issues , and being involved in 3 car wrecks ( none of which were my fault ) has only compounded these problems ; the last wreck was 4 years ago ( I was sitting pass-side in my dad's car when the accelerator stuck-open ; hit a light pole at 50 mph ... on the side I was sitting on ! ) .

I used to go to " second-party pharmacists " in order to get Norco , Vicodin , Lortab , Percodan , Percocet , et al. , as I didn't have health insurance .
Finally , just over 1 year ago , I started seeing a Pain Management Specialist .
He wrote a prescription for 90 ( thirty-day supply ) Norco ; at last , a legal , legitimate prescription !

I piggy back my still-three-a-day-dosage with various N.S.A.I.D.S. ( Aspirin , et al. ) , as those help with the swelling .
Tylenol is 100% worthless to me ( in-so-far-as it doesn't do **** for swelling ) ; however , getting a prescription for straight-up opiates / opioids is a 'pain' , as those are Schedule II , and require a 'Triplicate Prescription '.

My back is so horribly tweaked ; pinched nerves , spine that's curved in and to the right side ( poor posture is a big part of this ) , potentially herniated discs in my neck and back , and so on .

My doctor wanted to put me on "Limited Work Duties" , to which I declined .
I work in a warehouse ( auto parts ) as well as deliveries . Combined with a skeleton crew , the workload doesn't truly permit for any real restrictions ; henceforth , my decision to decline to work limitations orders .

Nevertheless , in my opinion , Opiates work great .
Certainly , like everything , they have their downsides .

Marijuana ?
I wish I could partake . However , it gives me panic attacks and anxiety , regardless of its strain .
If it weren't for those damned attacks , I'd certainly like to use it .

Keep in mind :
Marijuana is still a Schedule I federally .
Laws that states' voters pass don't mean **** if you're stopped by Border Patrol , et al ., as those are federal agents .

California's voters ( ostensibly not the same idiots whom voted Brown back in office !! ) obviously didn't want for legalised marijuana ; and that's a disservice in my mind .
Even though I can't enjoy marijuana , I still recognise its medical benefits .

I only wish that things such as codeine cough syrup and low-dose codeine analgesics ( 10mg or less ) were available without a prescription !!
Dextromethorphan is JUNK . It's fully-synthetic codeine , and is 100% worthless .

So , yeah ... opiates get my vote , as does 'medical' marijuana .:-D