David Vizard, Uncle Tony's garage, Unity motorsport. Mission impossible Dodge 302 Head porting

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Hysteric said:
No, no surprise at all these 360 and 408 stroker types feeling threatened by some one perusing a 318 build.


Said the guy to David Vizard when he wanted to build a 318........Everyone should be allowed to build whatever they want. Who cares where he's from he has a right to build what he wants.
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Thanks, thats is the funniest thing I’ve in this entire post! :rofl:
 
pittsburghracer said:
Only because the 318 guys get so fired up so easily. It’s fun playing with their heads. Lol
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No it's your guy's inconsistency in logic, for one most 318 guy's just want to do basic mods to a running long block don't see many looking to build a full out 318 even if it's a full build.

But even if we're talking full out 318 this idea that 90 thousands is enough to snuff out any performance possibilities is ridiculous. Then passing over the extra 40 thousands of a 340 wouldn't be trivial and worth the extra $$$$ for the 340 block especially on 8,000-12,000k motor, or boring 60 would be standard fare.

But a 383 has 1/4" bore advantage is not worth doing and 440 is too big and heavy even though dollar for dollar make a 100 hp over a 408, cause displacement is king stops at a 408 which a 60 over 383 comes close to, is a 318 better than 360 no is anyone arguing it is no, just that a 318 is a capable platform and if someone wants to why not every other mopar V8 340/383/400/440 and even the lesser big blocks are a mile above a 360 in capably, 360 only has a bore advantage over 273/318. You guy’s are cheerleading third worse and bragging oh how better it is over second worst :)
 
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Al had a methanol burning Teen in this one. Not a stock build though. (more than a 4 barrel, 340 cam, and headers)

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Here's 318/360/340 stock bore but same crank


Stock stroke 318 360 340

3.31" crank 318 333 340

3.58" crank 344 360 367

4.00" crank 384 402 410

360 has a 15-18 cid advantage over a 318 with same crank not really that much, no one would think the 340s 7-8 cid would be much advantage over 360.
 
How about a 361 B with a 3.9 stroke and custom pistons. lol
 
Dan Georgino said:
This isn't about building the best whatever, it's about building what they have in front of them. Some people have this engine and are interested in it. If it doesn't pertain to you, move on, hence the "he should have done that and this" junk.
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Mean416 said:
Do you think it's something the average Joe can replicate?
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Yes, just with basic aftermarket parts obviously a set of speedmaster or eddy heads would be the choice see what cam they grind i'm sure the aftermarket can supply similar same with cr etc...
 
Look, it's very easy to differentiate here, who are real guys who have done real ****, and those who only have read about others' accomplishments. I'm going to leave it at that and go back to the other threads. This **** is nonsense.
 
Mean416 said:
Look, it's very easy to differentiate here, who are real guys who have done real ****, and those who only have read about others' accomplishments. I'm going to leave it at that and go back to the other threads. This **** is nonsense.
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Agree. Vizard has been at it for decades and has written many books and showcases what he does. All the guys here just talk about it but he puts it into print!
 
toolmanmike said:
It will be interesting to find out what a good set of heads can do.
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Meh.
Maybe we'll know, assuming the rest of the build gets done in a manner that isn't stuffed up.
I guess it might be interesting to see if the numbers differed radically from what MPC and Shady Dell were able to do on Dave's 302 heads. That was not a cheap investment either - basically paying for some development. That's why there were several heads done with different valves to see what would work best for the build.
 
Hysteric said:
Agree. Vizard has been at it for decades and has written many books and showcases what he does. All the guys here just talk about it but he puts it into print!
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Aw gimme a break.
 
Mattax said:
Meh.
Maybe we'll know, assuming the rest of the build gets done in a manner that isn't stuffed up.
I guess it might be interesting to see if the numbers differed radically from what MPC and Shady Dell were able to do on Dave's 302 heads. That was not a cheap investment either - basically paying for some development. That's why there were several heads done with different valves to see what would work best for the build.
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I pm'ed him and his response for head development was actually not that much. I won't disclose what the cost was but nowhere near some of the numbers thrown around in previous threads.
 
Hysteric said:
I thought you of all people would be interested in the build considering the heads?
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I would have enjoyed it if they were sticking in a solid flat tappet cam and a good intake, it would be fun to see what it would do. Then throw some trick flows on and see the difference good or bad.
 
fishmens67 said:
I want to see a 500hp 318. It can be done, so why doesn't UTG build one.
That be show'n how it's done.
He could name it "The little engine that could" :D
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I would really like to see how close rat and I could get to this. My mind has been up to no good and thinking we have a 318 short block we just need some good pistons for, have racer brown grind us a sft cam, throw my trick flows on, my ported victor and my hooker 1 7/8's and let er rip on the dyno. We will see if reality allows it to happen lol.
 
lead69 said:
I would have enjoyed it if they were sticking in a solid flat tappet cam and a good intake, it would be fun to see what it would do. Then throw some trick flows on and see the difference good or bad.
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That's funny as I remember you saying this about your 318 headed 360:

Very cool thread,nice to see you document this for everyone.I ported a set of 318 heads for a street 360 build with awesome results.I ended up raising the legnth of the roof to the stock 360 port size and reworking the short turn and opening up the bowl to 90% of the intake.Also did the same as you on the exhaust side,original 1.78/1.5 but they did have a serdi valve job.The heads went on a stock 360 shortblock with an actual 8.6 compression,ported performer intake (360 size runners/mild plenum work) 600 holley,cheap headers and an xe274 and was a screamer,upper 12's all daylong with 3.23s in a 70 dart!.
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To the op I built a cheap 360 quite a few years ago with the same pistons as yours and home ported (nothing exotic) 318 heads with stock valves milled .020. I used a comp xe 274,thin head gaskets and cheap headers,performer intake and a 600 holley. Dam thing was good for high 12's in a dart with 3.23 gears and 245 60 14 tires,the 318 heads can be made to work its all about what you want to do. (Stock crank and pistons)
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That 360 ran like a healthy big block 383 with a 280 cam, it would roast the tires at 30 mph and was a beast from 2k-5k, shifted at 5,400 ran shitty times due to street tires but 103-105 mph. It did alot better than anyone would have believed including me lol.
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This engine ran like an animal and made low end like a 383,it pulled cleanly to 6k and made a ton of power,with 3.23s and a 904/2,500 stall it easily ran high 12 cars so I have no doubt it was a 12.80-12.70 combo with 3.91s at the track.
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Its amazing what a junk head with stock small valves on a low comp 360 can do hey..........
 
lead69 said:
I would really like to see how close rat and I could get to this. My mind has been up to no good and thinking we have a 318 short block we just need some good pistons for, have racer brown grind us a sft cam, throw my trick flows on, my ported victor and my hooker 1 7/8's and let er rip on the dyno. We will see if reality allows it to happen lol.
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I've been poking Rat to do it, I'd like to see you guys do it.
Hell, I'd even throw in on the pistons.
 
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