Heater instrument panel differences for 67?

[Map63Vette]

I'm working on my A/C install on my car and one of the things I was planning to do is put the A/C vents where the radio originally went as someone already cut a hole in the dash there and I have a different audio setup anyway. The more I've torn apart my car, the more I've learned that nothing in it is right or correct for the year, lol. So with that in mind, I was trying to find what a factory 67 heater control instrument panel bezel looked like as mine has a later 68+ style due to the exposed fasteners (that they just drilled holes to use). I was thinking I'd just try to find a beat up one since I would potentially be cutting the radio portion off to begin with, but then I found they had OEM panels with no radio faceplate to start with, which wouldl probably look a lot nice than what I have. I went digging through the parts manual and searching on the internet and found two different panels that seem the same, but are different part numbers. Anyone have an idea what is different about them? The part numbers I found are 2770568 and 2770572. In the parts manual 2770568 is listed as "All, L-L, Heater control" while 2770572 is listed as "All, L-H, L-P, Heater w/o Radio". I found this old Ebay listed for a 2770568 which shows a "w/o radio" style panel and the 2770568 part number on it: DODGE DART A BODY MOPAR OEM DASH HEATER CONTROL BEZEL 2770568 C-G | eBay. I can't find a good picture of the 2770572, but by the description it sounds like the same thing. I don't know what L-L means vs L-H or L-P on the parts manual description though.

 

[Dana67Dart]

Post a photo of what you have now.


L-L references Dart-Low price point - base

L-H references Dart- high price point - 270

L-P references Dart- premium price point - GT


The eBay and this one is used in the base. L-L

Note: there is no trim on the glove box door

There is a separate plate that goes around the radio

Radio plate

The GT and 270 L-H and L-P got a full face that went all the way across.

Note: There is trim on the glove box door

This is the 68/69 AC for thumb wheel radio.

Note: in 67 there would not be any holes thru the heat/AC radio bezel for screws. It was rear attached with 2 small screws and several clips

67 looks the same except the rectangles are rounds for a post radio. the holes look like the radio plate above

67 GT/270 AC

67 GT/270 heat only

So the question is what do you have?


Also note the 67 GT/270 AC & The 67 GT/270 heat only are rare so don't cut one up.

 

[Map63Vette]

What I have in the car right now is a 68/69 piece that has had the bottom radio portion cut off (poorly). It still has the black strip on the bottom of the right side next to the radio, but the rest of it got chopped with a hacksaw. It has the three screw holes along the top and they drilled the metal dash behind it so they have something to attach to. I do have the glovebox door trim on the car as well. I'll try to grab a picture over lunch here in a couple of minutes.

What I want is a panel with no radio faceplate (like your first picture), heater only (I need the slots, not the buttons), that goes all the way across with the glovebox panel. So I guess that would be the 2770572? That would be a L-P, heater, w/o radio, though I can't find a picture of that to confirm. I would prefer the "w/o radio" version as I would like to keep the edging or whatever you want to call it that goes around the panel compared to taking a faceplate with a radio and cutting the radio portion off as that would leave a weird break in the panel.

 

[Map63Vette]

Here are some quick shots of how things sit in my car right now:

 

[Dana67Dart]

What I want is a panel with no radio faceplate (like your first picture), heater only (I need the slots, not the buttons), that goes all the way across with the glovebox panel. So I guess that would be the 2770572? That would be a L-P, heater, w/o radio, though I can't find a picture of that to confirm. I would prefer the "w/o radio" version as I would like to keep the edging or whatever you want to call it that goes around the panel compared to taking a faceplate with a radio and cutting the radio portion off as that would leave a weird break in the panel.

all GT faceplates will have the lower portion that the radio would go through. EVEN radio delete had that but no holes for the radio



poor photoshop of heater delete GT heater bezel BUT it is what it looks like.

I have seen 1 GT heater only Radio Delete plate in 8 years on the internet looking for 67 Dart parts. AND yes I should have bought it!

I think the only rarer part would be a 67 GT AC/ Radio Delete bezel (if they made one)

 

[Dana67Dart]

Here are some quick shots of how things sit in my car right now:

The butchers!

IMHO

your best direction is to get another 68 heater radio bezel and then cut out the radio opening parts and make a black face plate to fit the basically rectangular area. Then cut out an opening for your AC vent/s

 

[Map63Vette]

all GT faceplates will have the lower portion that the radio would go through. EVEN radio delete had that but no holes for the radio



poor photoshop of heater delete GT heater bezel BUT it is what it looks like.
View attachment 1716401902

I have seen 1 GT heater only Radio Delete plate in 8 years on the internet looking for 67 Dart parts. AND yes I should have bought it!

I think the only rarer part would be a 67 GT AC/ Radio Delete bezel (if they made one)

Would that be true of the 68+ style panels as well? Basically any panel that goes with a glove box would have a radio "loop", regardless of year or radio option?

I'd almost be more tempted to get a base 67 panel with no radio and just take the panel off my glovebox, though I'm thinking that would leave me with some screw holes to deal with.

 

[Map63Vette]

Unrelated, but in the vicinity. Did the glovebox only have a spring on one side? Mine has a bad habit of opening itself if I punch the throttle, and while I was taking it off for my A/C install I noticed that the left hinge didn't have a spring, though it looked like it had mounting holes for one. I thought maybe that's why it opens more easily, but looking at the parts diagrams it appears to only call out a spring on the right side (well, the description is "All, Rt."). Was thinking I'd add the second one to keep it shut better, but looking like maybe it's not missing after all?

 

[Dana67Dart]

Would that be true of the 68+ style panels as well? Basically any panel that goes with a glove box would have a radio "loop", regardless of year or radio option?

yes.

I'd almost be more tempted to get a base 67 panel with no radio and just take the panel off my glovebox, though I'm thinking that would leave me with some screw holes to deal with.

not just screw holes but large holes for the cover posts to go into. you can get a replacement glovebox door without the holes.

Unrelated, but in the vicinity. Did the glovebox only have a spring on one side? Mine has a bad habit of opening itself if I punch the throttle, and while I was taking it off for my A/C install I noticed that the left hinge didn't have a spring, though it looked like it had mounting holes for one. I thought maybe that's why it opens more easily, but looking at the parts diagrams it appears to only call out a spring on the right side (well, the description is "All, Rt."). Was thinking I'd add the second one to keep it shut better, but looking like maybe it's not missing after all?

67 uses a different hinge than 68 up and yes there is only one spring. you could go to the hardware store and find another spring and put it on the other side. I have never had my door open on acceleration or any other reason since I was 4 years old (when my dad bought the car new)

 

[Map63Vette]

Hmm, I guess thinking it over, a 68 bezel with the radio cut out done a little cleaner to keep the full loop but cut out the middle might not be that bad of an idea. I'll have to measure up the vents that came in my kit to see how much space I'd need, but that could still clean up the currently messy look I have without being too weird. Probably easier to come across one as well, maybe even one that has already been "modified" that I could get cheaper.

Thanks for all the reference photos and info! Always interesting to learn more and more of the little things that were one year only with the 67. I seem to have a knack for buying cars that had one year only features, not that those features are still there by the time I get the car, lol. Just makes restoration more interesting.

 

[grampscamp]

all GT faceplates will have the lower portion that the radio would go through. EVEN radio delete had that but no holes for the radio



poor photoshop of heater delete GT heater bezel BUT it is what it looks like.
View attachment 1716401902

I have seen 1 GT heater only Radio Delete plate in 8 years on the internet looking for 67 Dart parts. AND yes I should have bought it!

I think the only rarer part would be a 67 GT AC/ Radio Delete bezel (if they made one)

I have one of those.

 

[Dana67Dart]

Some reasons I recommend you stick with the 68-69 heater bezel is you already have the mounting holes, (67 uses the radio posts to secure the lower section) the sides of the radio area are parrallel making a cut out easier to retrofit, (the 67 tapers in at the bottom and MIGHT not cover the hole in your dash

 

[Map63Vette]

Yeah, the taper is a good point. I don't actually have the lower mounting holes at the moment, they only put in the three along the top as there's basically no material left at the bottom for them to drill into for the lower holes. The square opening would definitely make things easier to work with though for the vents.

 

[Dana67Dart]

If you have the vent post a photo of it

 

[Dana67Dart]

. The square opening would definitely make things easier to work with though for the vents

And they are readily available

 

[Map63Vette]

If you have the vent post a photo of it

Here's a picture of the general idea I'm going for. Right now the vents are just in there loose, but they should snap in to the appropriately sized panel. I popped them out of surrounds they came with and just have them kind of hanging loose in the hole right now. It looks like the would fit about perfect inside the chrome edge loop of the radio surround. I may have to tweak the hole in the dash a little, but it's pretty close now side to side at least. Maybe a little tall up and down, but I can always 3D print a filler panel or something if I need to. The stock bezel should cover it pretty well though.

 

[Map63Vette]

@Dana67Dart A bit of a tangent, but somewhat related. Do you happen to have any pictures showing the differences between the heater control units for a 67 and 68/69? I'm guessing I have a 68/69 unit based on how it attaches to my dash, but something about it just doesn't seem to fit right with the bezel. If I take everything off my dash I have two holes on some recessed tabs where the heater controls go. Based on what I've seen on the 67 bezel, I think these holes are where the screws go in from the back to mount that panel? However, my heater controls have a plate with some studs pressed in that go in these holes instead and nuts then secure the heater controls and the bezel has the other screws into the dash to mount it. What doesn't quite add up for me is that there are some relief holes in this heater control plate that match up to posts on the back of the bezel, presumably to help align the slots in the bezel with the levers and switch on the heater controls. On my bezel it looks like someone had to shave these posts down to fit in the holes in the heater controls, which doesn't really make sense. I know the heater controls themselves are 68/69 as the blower switch isn't the 67 style, and I would assume the plate with the studs in it would also be 68/69 since it has the studs period (couldn't have them if it was a 67 because it would keep the 67 style bezel from mounting. But the controls and the bezel don't seem to fit together for some reasons, so curious if you might know why.

The plate with the studs is shown in the parts diagram, but has no part number associated with it. They just identify it as a "plate", no reference number to look up. But I'm also just looking at the 67 parts manual, so maybe the 68/69 ones does have that as a separate part.

 

[Dana67Dart]

There are some photos here.

Radio bezel

The 67 the levers pivot the 68 up they slide


67 (the "Plate" is not in this photo)

68 up
(Red arrow points to a bolt I used to replace the OEM center pivot and retainer.)

67 Dash frame

The red arrow shows the 67 glove box door hinge opening
The 3 red circles are where OEM tabs on the heater bezel go through the dash frame and have clips on the back side ALMOST always they are broken off. Really bad design!
2 Red circles at radio opening are the post holes for the radio.

Blue circles are where the "Plate" screws to

This plate is screwed to the heater bezel AND to the heater control which is screwed to the dash frame

Blue circles screw to the dash frame
Upper red circles screw to the bezel
lower red circles screw to the heater control
red arrows are the alignment tabs on the bezel

red outline is the plate
upper red circles screw the plate to the bezel
Blue circles mount the plate to the dash frame
lower red circles mount the heater control to the plate
bezel alignment posts are just below

This is 68 up dash frame
red circles are the screw holes for the bezel
blue circles are the heater control mounting holes
68 up the "Plate" is part of the control (it's where the lever sliders slide)
red arrows are the radio mounting holes (thumb wheel radio)
Note there is no glove box hinge hole. there is a bit of 68 up hinge visible just below the black on white arrow

Someone just posted a 67 heater control for sale and it has the plate on it.

Red arrow is the plate

Green arrows are the broken plastic posts off the bezel

 

[Map63Vette]

Hmmm, that's interesting. Thanks for the link! I'm going to have to take mine apart and look closer again. I didn't realize those screw holes to attach the bezel to the heater controls still existed in the later model panels. I think that's what might be messed up with my parts. Seems like one of the previous owners filed down those screw bosses into cones to fit inside the screw holes instead of sitting flush against them, at least that's my best guess. I'm replacing the setup with a plain panel to mount my new A/C controls, but wanted to understand how everything was supposed to mount to begin with.

 

[Thanquol]

Unrelated, but in the vicinity. Did the glovebox only have a spring on one side? Mine has a bad habit of opening itself if I punch the throttle, and while I was taking it off for my A/C install I noticed that the left hinge didn't have a spring, though it looked like it had mounting holes for one. I thought maybe that's why it opens more easily, but looking at the parts diagrams it appears to only call out a spring on the right side (well, the description is "All, Rt."). Was thinking I'd add the second one to keep it shut better, but looking like maybe it's not missing after all?

Probably a bit late reply but yes...kinda...I have a LATE production 67 cuda and the only spring was on the right hand side hinge. the other hinge did not have one. My 67 Dart GT was made on Dec 5th of 66 and it has a spring on the left and right hinge. The left one wore unevenly and basically oversized the rotating pin and it closed cockeyed. I have a suspicion thats why they went to one spring and then got rid of the 2 hinges altogether in 68+

 

[Dana67Dart]

My 67 Dart GT was made on Dec 5th of 66 and it has a spring on the left and right hinge. The left one wore unevenly and basically oversized the rotating pin and it closed cockeyed. I have a suspicion thats why they went to one spring

Interesting.

I have a 11/66 build 67 Dart GT and 2/67 build 67 Dart GT both only have one spring. Go figure?

 

[Thanquol]

I'm dealing with a massive

Interesting.

I have a 11/66 build 67 Dart GT and 2/67 build 67 Dart GT both only have one spring. Go figure?

I was a bit stumped but there it was...the Dart is the primo car so I "stole" the Cuda hinges and tossed them in the Dart (shhh...no one will know...)...I'll put the 68+ hinge in the Cuda which is and easy swap.

I'm in a total Catch-22 with this radio crap for the 67 Dart. Its hilarious...

1. Someone butchered the original 67 AC bezel to install a RetroSound. I hate it. Want to go back to OEM. I have a 67 AND a 68/9 radio. Both work.

2. I have a new 68/9 bezel. But that means cutting the "squares" for the 68/9 thumb dials in the dash...but the 68/9 dash have those recessed mount holes too...more tom foolery and once I do it...its done.

3. So I stripped the hacked bezel and experimented with ALL the chrome options. I even cast the round dial faces in resin and painted them with Alclad II chrome in the hopes of using the new 68/9 bezel as a hybrid 67 1/2 bezel. 3D print the 2 68/9 square holes, drill a round hole in them and then use my round resin mock ups and DONE.... But then there is Revell chrome spray but it wears off. So does Molowtow. blah blah blah. Then there is a new Rustoleum Ive heard about that is supposed to be decent. On and on and on....

4. I then found a pretty nice 67 bezel for AC I managed to find on ebay. But the glove box and cluster bezels are all new (the place in RI had a redone 67 glove box bezel shockingly so I nabbed it).....so its a mismatch right now. A nice cluster bezel on the left....a nice glove box on the right. Now back to the 67 bezel I got off ebay - the guy said it was mint. Well its not. Upon closer exam...someone CUT the non-AC heater control section out and glued in an AC heater control plate !!! (actually did a decent job of it)...I was so mad but the guy refunded me entirely and I got to keep the piece.

5. Ok...well...send the 67 ebay bezel off to RI ? Will it be redoable with that glued in AC control plate or will they say no and send it back and Im right back to doing the 68/9? Round and round we go...

This damn dash has been gpoing on for a year. But I did convert the Amp gauge to the Bosch Voltmeter using the WhiteGauges kit which looks fantastic. So the cluster is all set along with doing the MAD rewire...

sigh

 

[Map63Vette]

Probably a bit late reply but yes...kinda...I have a LATE production 67 cuda and the only spring was on the right hand side hinge. the other hinge did not have one. My 67 Dart GT was made on Dec 5th of 66 and it has a spring on the left and right hinge. The left one wore unevenly and basically oversized the rotating pin and it closed cockeyed. I have a suspicion thats why they went to one spring and then got rid of the 2 hinges altogether in 68+

I think what I found most interesting was that the hinge definitely appeared to have a spot to put a spring at least. That being said, I'm having enough trouble getting it to not hit the A/C ducting behind the dash at all. I think I finally got it, but it's wrangled in there pretty good. If I remember correctly, I had to go up and over the top of the glovebox to get the ducting out of the way. If I tried to route it the more direct path of going under the glovebox, the hinge would hit on it either open or closed. Also, for whatever reason it seems to be staying shut better now than it did before, so the need for the extra spring has lessened.

 

[Thanquol]

I just redid the glove glovebox because it was catching and scraping when youd close it. I got a box from Vans and I seem to recall that yes the AC stuff was back and up- not down.

And yes the Dart clearly has a spring in both hinges. The Cuda has only the right one and thats what I swapped into the Dart which works perfect now. But the left Cuda hinge DOES have the setup to PUT a spring in but it’s not there and never was. There is no wear patterns of it ever having been there and the box was never touched since factory.

If you still have issues and it doesn’t matter, a 68+ hinge is far better and should fit right in.