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I talked briefly with the engine specialist at the machine shop who will be working on my engine when the time comes. Car's a 64 Barracuda, engine is a '70 340(from a duster), j heads, Edelbrock airgap manifold, Holley 650DP, points ignition, no headers, yet, I have them, they're just going to go on when the engine is done and goes back in.

Mow, my dilemna. The guy is pretty damned good with Mopars. He asked me what I plan on doing with the car, I don't plan on racing it(pockets not deep enough). I just want a strong street machine, ballsy engine, with performance there when I punch it.

He told me he can handle things a couple of ways. he can do all the machine work, ie block, heads, crank, cam bearings and freeze plugs, etc, and ready it for me to assemble. He said we will sit down, go in depth on my expectations, and he can tell me zactly what cam I requure, lifters, rocker arms, etc. All of which he can supply.

Or, he can do all the machine work, AND assemble the engine, run it, break in the cam(if flat tappet), and dyno test/tune it for me.

It's been a long time since I've built an engine, and kinda was looking forward to it, BUT, some of the things being talked about on this site are greek to me, things I never heard when in school in the early 70's(certified mechanic, then quit for the USAF). I built quite a few engines back in the early 70's(up until ~1975). But, I figger if this guy does Mopar engines regularly(came recommended to me)anywhere from daily drivers up to full race, I should have a pretty solid engine if I have him do it.

Now, I know the next question I will be asked, price. I am supposed to call him tomorrow, discuss with him the exact details, and he will then give me written quotes for both avenues this build can go.

Am I better off to have him tdo the build, break it in, then drop it in, or should I just take my time, read the Mopar small block build book, and give it a go myself??

Thanks

FF
 
Having never built my own engine before, I'd go with option 2. Would he be willing to work WITH you during assembly? Maybe he could bring you up to speed on things? That would be pretty cool, in my book.
 
Having never built my own engine before, I'd go with option 2. Would he be willing to work WITH you during assembly? Maybe he could bring you up to speed on things? That would be pretty cool, in my book.

Excellent point, I will make sure to include that in my conversation with him tomorrow, thanks for the idea.

FF
 
theres always bragging rights and pride in doing it yourself. Do you have adequate tools and time?
 
I would let him handle most of the work for the right price. I don't have the tools, time, and space to do a lot of things myself, but if I could save enough and I'm sure I could put it together. Does he guarantee anything more if he does the work? Also, I'd like to know who your guy is since I'm also in the Pittsburgh area and I don't know any mechanics that I can trust yet.
 
I do my own assembling but I can honestly say if you can get a little experience working on it with him and have it run before you put it in the car then do it. nothing like getting a motor all pretty and put in the car then have a cam go flat and have to tear it back down. sucks. plus they can get all yor stuff set up like timing, carb., etc. done so you have no guesswork later.
 
I do my own assembling but I can honestly say if you can get a little experience working on it with him and have it run before you put it in the car then do it. nothing like getting a motor all pretty and put in the car then have a cam go flat and have to tear it back down. sucks. plus they can get all yor stuff set up like timing, carb., etc. done so you have no guesswork later.


Agreed.
 
I do both wehn I do them. I think for sake of safety, have him build and run it/break in the new engine. But once that's done, you can install it easy enough. Expect to pay for the break in services and extra materials (oil, filters, etc). But I think for most average guys this is the best way. It's also why I built a run in stand. Because when a guy doesnt pre-oil, or has an ignition issue, or doesnt have the tools to install the inner valve springs... It always seems to be the shop's or cam maker's fault when the cam goes flat. Many places now won't warranty it unless they fire and break it in too.
 
I do both wehn I do them. I think for sake of safety, have him build and run it/break in the new engine. But once that's done, you can install it easy enough.

I have complete confidence in my own mechanical skills, but am considering having him do the work so some little glitch I might miss, having been son long since I did a build, doesn't slip thru the cracks, so to speak, and toast a perfectly good engine. This guy does this work all the time, so..............

FF
 
I have 1 machine shop do all my machining and 1 guy that assembles my motors,they are both total professionals,i'd go for option number 2..and put a electronic ignition in the car too...
 
When I was 18/19, I rebuilt my engine, with the help of two friends..... I watched the machine shop do some of the work, like pressing the pistons on the rods..... I also had him put in the freeze plugs and the oil block offs....

If you have a good assembly book, it's not rocket science. We were teenagers, you are someone that has done it in the past. You'd do fine.

But, if you feel comfortable having someone else do it, and have the money, (which I didn't back then) then go for it!
 
I rebuilt the top end on my 318 last year and I was 17; all I did was buy the book and read it through a couple times, then I just got to work. It's really not hard if you take your time and triple-check everything.
 
build it yourself

that way you know where the clearances and ring gaps/bore sizes are really at.jmo

p.s & how good a machine shop they are.

REcommended to me by someone I trust, so..........

My first Barracuda had a race engine in it(well, a 273 that pushed 422hp on the dyno) and would turn 12's on pump gas. Ended up developing a water leak while on a long trip(drove it from Mississippi back to Pittsburgh, and the cause was DFA, Dumb F___ing Assembler, Me) ended up making pancake batter in the pan, but tried to drive it the 100 miles back to my Dad's, ended up round a lobe. Came back from Mississippi(in the USAF), yanked the engine, disassembled, sent out to machine shop I trusted, they boiled it, did the heads(valve job check, guides, etc) and put in the new freeze plugs, cam bearings and the new cam, which was a little milder than the radical **** that was in it at first. I took it home, spent about 3 or 4 hours on checking clearances and assembly, then another couple hours putting it in the car, and had it running that night, ran like a monster.

In auto school, we did Pontiac 389's, and we had timed disassembling, and then timed reassembly, and to pass, you had to get it running, and it was one person, one engine. Never had a problem, it's just that it's been a long time since I've done one, and I know that it's sorta like riding a bike, so maybe I'll get him to do the machining, talk to him about tips, etc, and then put it together myself.

Hell, I'll be doing 99% of the other stuff myself(well, maybe not 99%, I won't be the one spraying it when that time comes).

FF
 
cool man.

How do you like them pontiac dowel pin main caps, or my favorite #7 lifter bore that breaks off when you put real spring pressure on it=garbage.lol
 
I enjoyed rebuilding my engine (only one i've done) with the help of a book and a mechanically inclined friend. I think the biggest pain about it is fixing oil leaks (just sprung another Saturday)

It is fun to talk about your car when you have done most of the work yourself, I hired the rebuild and assembly of the heads and machine work on the block, and a transmission rebuild. Other than that, Its been me and some friends helping out.

Good luck!

Steve
 
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