Shooting in the Dark

[greymouser7]

With a budget that is dwindling, I am slowly inching my way into a small block build. (For my Dodge Aspen Build)

360
+.040 pistons
3.58" stock stroke
A/C (if I have to, only when rolling)
Manual steering
3500-4000 lbs of Aspen
approximately 3.55-3.73 geared rear: I am aiming for a final first gear ratio

(rear axle gear times first gear) of approximately 10. < 3.09 X 3.21 =similar to= 2.66 X 3.73 ... >

I have PRW 1.6 steel alloyed roller rockers I would like to run but am sooo dang wishy washy about what heads to run ( I can hear Rusty chastising me now!)

Some time this afternoon (30 November2014) Lunati's website just stopped coming up on my browser.

"This page can&#8217;t be displayed

&#8226;Make sure the web address https://www.lunatipower.com is correct"

I bought this Camshaft:
Lunati 10200301, 275/275 477/477 STREET MASTER HYDRAULIC FLATTAPPET CAMSHAFT 07401

...WAS RUN IN 360 FOR LESS THAN 300 MILES BEFORE PULLING ENGINE AND REPLACING WITH A SOLID ROLLER...for $80bucks
+
So Karl is always talking up the Rhoads lifters...so took a shot at them

I found a set for $120, rhoads lifters 2018x

I know piecing together valve train components is usually left the masters like Mike, Brian, that Ramm guy, and all the knowledgeable Robs' on this site but-

Do you guys think this will generally work alright barring piston deck height and whatever combustion chambers I run? I can get ready to run magnum heads (rockers are out) for $200 a pop or maybe trade a W2 head for an INDY/RHS LA X head- who knows

I know squat about shims, spring heights, ?valve-caps?, etc...

 

[j par]

I read your post about 2-3 hours ago and it almost gave me a little headache!
I had to wait for a bit to post. I was all over the place with my current build also.
I decided to put the best i could afford in the bottom end, and now that my budget is dwindling
I am putting together the top end the best I can. Take the advice of the members with a grain of salt.
Most are trying to help, but some you'll never please. My friend came over the other day-- he's all "you should get a roller cam, roller lifters, and roller rockers! " then proceeded to tell me how much better it would be! ? WELL NO $HIT!!! But you know not once did he offer a couple grand to help? ! LOL! My advice is the advice my machine shop gave me-- "make a plan and stay to it" if you cut to many corners and and have problems your going to be upset, if you spend a little bit more and it works great you'll easily forget the money. Don't send your self to the poor house, but HAVE FUN! !

 

[krazykuda]

You should be fine. I've run Rhoades on a MP .484/284 cam with stock rockers and didn't have any trouble.

It also has a stock converter and 3.91 gears. It can burn the tires until I want to stop and is good off the line. The Rhoades lifters are more forgiving for stall and gearing also.


You got the racing ones at 2018x, I run the "standard" 2018 ones.

http://www.rhoadslifters.com/Pages/VFlatTappet.html

 

[greymouser7]

I also got some answers on the next thread over: "360 with 340 camshaft thoughts?"

 

[TrailBeast]

Try the address without the "s"

 

[greymouser7]

Try the address without the "s"

it works fine today, probably site maintenance, maybe the S, dunno.

thanks though!

 

[krazykuda]

I've got two of those cams that are going in a couple of future 360 builds myself.

 

[Abodybomber]

You should be fine. I've run Rhoades on a MP .484/284 cam with stock rockers and didn't have any trouble.

It also has a stock converter and 3.91 gears. It can burn the tires until I want to stop and is good off the line. The Rhoades lifters are more forgiving for stall and gearing also.


You got the racing ones at 2018x, I run the "standard" 2018 ones.

http://www.rhoadslifters.com/Pages/VFlatTappet.html

This^^^ .... They work,let people diss them. Run five sets ,on five different engines. All of them did,what I expected.

 

[66fs]

With a budget that is dwindling, I am slowly inching my way into a small block build. (For my Dodge Aspen Build)

360
+.040 pistons
3.58" stock stroke
A/C (if I have to, only when rolling)
Manual steering
3500-4000 lbs of Aspen
approximately 3.55-3.73 geared rear: I am aiming for a final first gear ratio

(rear axle gear times first gear) of approximately 10. < 3.09 X 3.21 =similar to= 2.66 X 3.73 ... >

I have PRW 1.6 steel alloyed roller rockers I would like to run but am sooo dang wishy washy about what heads to run ( I can hear Rusty chastising me now!)

Some time this afternoon (30 November2014) Lunati's website just stopped coming up on my browser.

"This page can’t be displayed

•Make sure the web address https://www.lunatipower.com is correct"

I bought this Camshaft:
Lunati 10200301, 275/275 477/477 STREET MASTER HYDRAULIC FLATTAPPET CAMSHAFT 07401

...WAS RUN IN 360 FOR LESS THAN 300 MILES BEFORE PULLING ENGINE AND REPLACING WITH A SOLID ROLLER...for $80bucks
+
So Karl is always talking up the Rhoads lifters...so took a shot at them

I found a set for $120, rhoads lifters 2018x

I know piecing together valve train components is usually left the masters like Mike, Brian, that Ramm guy, and all the knowledgeable Robs' on this site but-

Do you guys think this will generally work alright barring piston deck height and whatever combustion chambers I run? I can get ready to run magnum heads (rockers are out) for $200 a pop or maybe trade a W2 head for an INDY/RHS LA X head- who knows

I know squat about shims, spring heights, ?valve-caps?, etc...

Do you have any heads now? Do the lifters push oil through the pushrod? What heads do your rockers fit? How much power do you want?

 

[greymouser7]

Do you have any heads now? Do the lifters push oil through the pushrod? What heads do your rockers fit? How much power do you want?

I have two W2 long valve econo heads, with 15 valves, used W2 crane aluminum 1.5 rockers and used-slotted rocker shafts, but the heads have surface rust that needs to be cleaned up, and probably milled once-don't have the headers for these heads

I have indy-brock? ported heads on a motor that sat too long between deployments and a burglary.

I just bought a single W2 head for $100 bucks and have a demo-display RHS/INDY LA X head- I would like to trade this new W2 head for another RHS/INDY LA X, or vice versa.

but if it comes down to it, those $200-a piece magnums on eBay just might get the job done for now, I have the crosswind intake which bolts to either head set-it came with a parts lot

Power was important before, but now I have to have all of my parts organized in one years' time because I might get orders out to Bangor, Washington.

I do have hooker headers I bought here used and straight exhaust with two short mufflers that turn down right before the axle-this will probably be on here until I retire in four years and have to find another job. I don't want to have to sell any of my two b-bodies or two F bodies- I got them here in Georgia with 1970's-early 80's prices.

 

[krazykuda]

They work,let people diss them. Run five sets ,on five different engines. All of them did,what I expected.

Yep, I hear ya. It took me a while to convince me to use them also, but now I use them all the time. I've been using them for over 20 years now in many engines with many miles, no problems. #-o

I like them with mild and moderate cams. It gives me better low end power and torque, better intake vacuum, and better mpg. :burnout:

Let them people diss them, they won't see what the benefits are if they don't try them. Their loss.... :???:

 

[66fs]

If I had W2's, I'd run them hands down. I'd also run the ported heads. The Magnum heads need pushrod oiling, have 1.6 rockers, and are prone to cracking. Spend the money and have someone clean up a set you already have, and don't look back. I'm not sure I'd run slotted shafts with needle bearing rockers though.

 

[greymouser7]

If I had W2's, I'd run them hands down. I'd also run the ported heads. The Magnum heads need pushrod oiling, have 1.6 rockers, and are prone to cracking. Spend the money and have someone clean up a set you already have, and don't look back. I'm not sure I'd run slotted shafts with needle bearing rockers though.

I need to post a picture of the shafts- but phone screen broke, & I usually use topify

I cannot remember the name of the type of shafts that W2's used, but the ones I have are what's required, only they are used and look a tiny bit worn- they have grooved slots for oiling the rockers I believe.

is there any type of cheap W2 headers? could I arc weld the metal around the tube mounting flange of regular headers and grind out a larger opening to match the port of the W2 head?

 

[66fs]

I have a set of old Hamburgers needle bearing rockers and shafts. The shafts are thick wall chrome plated and no grooves. I thought grooved shafts were for sleeve type bearings, without needles, like stock 273 and 340 T/A or W2. Maybe the Crane rocker arms do not have needle bearings?
As for the headers, will they match up with the bolt pattern on the W2 exhaust ports?

 

[66fs]

You know, with that cam you could clean up your ported heads, get valve springs to match your cam and be good to go with what you already have.

 

[greymouser7]

You know, with that cam you could clean up your ported heads, get valve springs to match your cam and be good to go with what you already have.

everyone told me that these indybrock heads are opened up too much and will not have any port velocity-over ported..?.on a 360ish cubic inch motor-they cubic inches or lots of rpm..?

banana groove shafts- I think that's what they are called,

I wanna say that rustyratrod suggested that he thought that they might be offset from regular shafts

I did not think about the crane rockers being needle bearing, I think that you are right

I have duty tomorrow, (locked down on base overnite) will have to get back on you on these thursday

 

[66fs]

I'm not familiar with those heads. I was just trying to get you going with what you had on hand. W2's flow big numbers but at high lift. The cam you have is relatively low lift, High Performance... I've run 72 340 heads on a 273, and they worked great, but was running a ThermoQuad and a 72 340 cam and springs. Most would tell you that 340 heads would be over ported for that size engine. It was a 4 speed though. Just thinking out loud...

 

[greymouser7]

I do have some regular heads I should find (something generic from the mid-late 70's-80's) but one set I took to a machine shop to check out a few years back & one of those two heads was cracked (came with a lot)

I have one room and the entire garage filled with parts and the generic heads are buried somewhere. the idea was to get parts between deployments and build the car on shore duty (had a kid, budget dropped)

initially I was sold on the idea of closed chamber heads, build the motor right the first time, spend the most money on the bottom end.......now it's get it done time-fire under my assets before I end up with a mopar fire sale next year

I think the w2's might require allot more money to finish setting up-these are not ported, I have no idea what stock w2's flow off hand-I need to find the book (I have not forgot you MR.Mopartech) and check


I have made MANY mistakes as a junior wood-chuck enthusiast-rustyratrod pointed out that the books should be my resource, not the web

I did buy some 308 heads here on fabo, paid 800 for NewIntheBox -they did not have hardened valve seats-the spot in the combustion chamber where the seats would be hung lower than the head's deck, plus no bushing?{bronze?} valve guide, -these seemed like long term work (for some reason the metal was very pitted with =out being rusty??)

I am going to tear thru everything I have tomorrow and give you what I got-hopefully with pictures

-gotta got a shipyard work production meeting now, thanks for all the input, everyone that's ever helped!

oh by the way, it will be a fourspeed car, for now I have a NIB 1406 edelbrock carb

 

[66fs]

We've all made mistakes. Some of them quite memorable, even forty years later... Sounds good to figure out what you have, and go from there.

 

[greymouser7]

Sorry to flake out on you, but I got some sort of stomach bug/flu Thursday and now the wife has it. I have been taking care of the baby as soon as I recovered.

I found some 596 heads assembled in the garage before I became too ill. they have the rockers, pushrods, shafts, springs, retainers, and head bolts. these came off of a 360 (that came with flat top pistons & an aftermarket cam) that blew a head gasket, mixing the oil and coolant. It ran 5-10 minutes after the head gasket gave out. I'll take these up to the machine shop in Brunswick tomorrow.

The W2 head that I want to trade came in. 3870810

 

[greymouser7]

Single W2

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[greymouser7]

I think that it has been ported

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[greymouser7]

Next is the LA X head

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[greymouser7]

The first 596

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[greymouser7]

The second 596

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