Is this the same carcraft dart we are talking about here?
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Is this the same carcraft dart we are talking about here?
no, that was the 69 give away car that had a 4spd
this was the 85 car. here's the redux article on it
1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 - Dart Games, Revisited
Car Craft traded a Muncie four-speed for this 1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 and gave it away at the Street Machine Nationals. The winner then restored the car even further.
Bennoel 10
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In regards to comments being removed, my comment was also removed. I stated that not all 340 dart swingers came with roof rail drip moldings. I believe that it will be on the fender tag (M21). I have an original paint car without said moldings. It was an option on a 340 swinger. Still have the car and had at least one other the same. I also stated I didn't want to this to turn into an argument but was trying to help both parties out. If the numbers on the body, vin tag, and fender tag match its a good chance it's legit. No guarantee that these numbers weren't transferred or transplanted. Attached pics of my original paint car. Hopefully you can see the roof rail.
Good luck to all
Good luck to all
your post is back up in the sale thread.
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So the "dart games" dart is a rebody?
Bennoel 10
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Not necessarily. You would need to examine in person to be sure. No mention or pics of numbers that I saw in the original post ???
If you pick something apart and are wrong on an assertion, no need to keep that post up.
OneOfMany
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It's plainly stated with the VIN.
LM23P9B - 1969 Dart Swinger 340
It also states matching numbers engine.
Bennoel 10
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I was referring to the original "for sale" post. I didn't see any reference there. I admit I didn't read or view the carcraft article. Perhaps it is mentioned there ?
OneOfMany
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Your opinion
Ask the person who started the thread.
not worth the time or the dime.
Just so there is no question about whether the statement was correct regarding sill molding, here is the page from the 69 Dart Databook
Solid color cars, only car that M25 sill molding was std was a GTS. All others were optional and this carried over into 1970 for the 340 Swinger as well.
Vinyl top cars got sill molding, only because of the top. Otherwise a 340 swinger is a no go as std equipment.
Solid color cars, only car that M25 sill molding was std was a GTS. All others were optional and this carried over into 1970 for the 340 Swinger as well.
Vinyl top cars got sill molding, only because of the top. Otherwise a 340 swinger is a no go as std equipment.
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I have sent politely worded PMs to dudes that have something posted for sale that have errors in them.
I don't recall more than ONCE being thanked and acknowledged for highlighting a mistake. Most of the time the PMs are ignored if they are even read at all.
Conversely.....I have posted ads with what I thought was the correct information and received PMs to straighten me out. It isn't common that I make a stupid mistake because I do try to get things right. The times that I have been contacted, the other guy was right and I thanked him for it.
Some people think they know it all and are above criticism. Imagine buying from an assclown like that and trying to set things straight AFTER the purchase!
I don't recall more than ONCE being thanked and acknowledged for highlighting a mistake. Most of the time the PMs are ignored if they are even read at all.
Conversely.....I have posted ads with what I thought was the correct information and received PMs to straighten me out. It isn't common that I make a stupid mistake because I do try to get things right. The times that I have been contacted, the other guy was right and I thanked him for it.
Some people think they know it all and are above criticism. Imagine buying from an assclown like that and trying to set things straight AFTER the purchase!
jeff alder
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No one knows how every example of each model was built except the people that were building it on the line the day it was built. Get over it already. If you say every car you saw was that way and there were 30, 300 or 3,000 built at different plants and you weren't there do you really know how they came off the line? NO. You can surmise you do. BUT YOU DO NOT. People do often inaccurately post parts and may misrepresent cars, but like Barney said sometimes the people questioning it are wrong. And you can't fully rely on fender tags because they are often wrong as well. Maybe the exhaust hanger was cut off 40 years ago in a garage in Alaska. If you weren't there you don't know. Ther should be some system of accountability for ads thats for sure. That it is is a tough one to iron out.
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This type of perspective is EXACTLY what the fraud artist hope the buyer has when they rebody cars. @Oldmanmopar has a good point here. I have seen rebody cars on this site for sale in the past. There was a triple green 70 340 swinger on here, the seller even mentioned in a earlier thread, he simply swapped the VIN tag onto a better /6 body. Then sold it as a "matching numbers" car. 100% fraud, and a felony
I do know this from 1st hand experience .
I have worked in a stamping house for most of my life,,,,making automotive parts .
Most of the time we follow the book .
But there have been hundreds of times we have not .
It’s just the way it is to keep the product moving and the doors open there .
I have personally been involved with the manufacture of over 200 million parts,,,yes,,,millions .
I couldn’t tell you how many were stamped with the wrong I.D. Number .
Yes,,,call the OEM,,,,tell them the issue .
They write a deviation,,,,and we ship .
Form,,Fit,,and Function .
If it passes those criteria,,,,it will sail down the highway,,,,when the going gets tough .
Sorry,,,,,not all things are as the books and brochures say .
And Mopar was as guilty as anyone when it absolutely had to be built and shipped out .
Until you have worked in automotive,,,,you have no idea !
Tommy
I have worked in a stamping house for most of my life,,,,making automotive parts .
Most of the time we follow the book .
But there have been hundreds of times we have not .
It’s just the way it is to keep the product moving and the doors open there .
I have personally been involved with the manufacture of over 200 million parts,,,yes,,,millions .
I couldn’t tell you how many were stamped with the wrong I.D. Number .
Yes,,,call the OEM,,,,tell them the issue .
They write a deviation,,,,and we ship .
Form,,Fit,,and Function .
If it passes those criteria,,,,it will sail down the highway,,,,when the going gets tough .
Sorry,,,,,not all things are as the books and brochures say .
And Mopar was as guilty as anyone when it absolutely had to be built and shipped out .
Until you have worked in automotive,,,,you have no idea !
Tommy
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My biggest problem was the CAPS-LOCK KEY WAS STUCK ON.
dammit hard to read.
dammit hard to read.
I’m with NC 100% there,,,,I’m only talking about discrepancies in manufacturing details in my post .
Blatant fraud is just pure cheating,,,and Illegal !!!
It cannot be condoned in any form !
Tommy
Bennoel 10
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I agree 100%. I worked on the assembly line for years and seen parts that were taken out of production because they didn't conform to quality control only to have them reinstated because the line would go down. Pissed us off cause we anticipated going home early. Never say never.
That's fine on the discrepancies, it happens.
Someone said ALL 340 cars came with sill molding. That is flat out WRONG!
I can think of a reason the exhaust hanger holes may not be present on this car.
As @Bennoel 10 said about this one, look it over before buying, due dilligence, check body numbers. etc. Not the word of someone making incorrect statements about an optional item.
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Bennoel 10
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Also I agree 100% if you rebodie a vehicle and try to hide that fact, that is fraud but when your told "it used to be a slant six car" and you proceed with purchase that's not. Full disclosure is most important. Like dating a new girl. After a few dates you're about to score. She stops you at the bedroom door and says "one thing I want you to know, I was born a man". Not judging here, but my opinion if you proceed its on you. Me I want the real thing. Just my opinion, your welcome to disagree.
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