Frankie
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This.^^^
I was also asked by my doctor, and my Cardiologist, on separate occasions if I wished to have a medical waiver to wearing a mask. I declined, both times, but now I'm reconsidering.
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the great mask debate
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I was also asked by my doctor, and my Cardiologist, on separate occasions if I wished to have a medical waiver to wearing a mask. I declined, both times, but now I'm reconsidering.
It foggs up my glasses but they will fog up anyway in the winter. Kept my face warm in the wind a couple nights ago. LOL
SLOPAR72
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The same could be said for those who wear Mask just because someone is telling them to do so even though they know it doesn't make a difference..... The history in medicine can surely show a whole bunch of that.....
My choice, your choice!
JW
Divenut
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This. /\
Wonder how anti-maskers would react to their Dr opting out on wearing a mask when doing surgery on them or their loved ones? Wonder if they'd sue or get upset at the Dr if they got an infection because of it?
This stuff really isn't that hard to comprehend. Well, it shouldn't be hard.
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I got shot down by cuda 416. He informed me that the masks are for the doctors, not the patients. It was news to me.
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ChargedDart75
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There's a huge difference though in the whole Dr vs Civilian argument. That is their profession and part of said profession. They knew that when the signed up for it. And I'm not arguing for one side or the other.
DionR
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Let's try this analogy:
Level 1: No air filter = no mask.
Level 2: Metal screen over the air intake = cloth mask
Level 3: Paper air filter = gas/paint mask.
I doubt anyone would argue about level 1. In both cases, whatever comes along is going to be ingested.
In the case of level 2, a metal screen will keep larger particles out of an engine, like rocks or the stray Honda, but driving it down a dirt road at the back of a caravan would be a mistake. In the same way, a cloth mask will keep larger particles out like if someone were to sneeze on your face. But it won't keep smoke out which means it won't keep C19 out as it is smaller than smoke when it is in aerosol form. Nor will it really keep you from spreading it when you talk, yell, cough or sneeze since that air has to go somewhere. Since most masks are loose around the nose and cheeks it goes right out the sides to form a cloud for someone to walk through.
Level 3 is where people need to be if they really want to feel protected, but I have yet to see anyone walking around a store in a gas mask. I want to do it just once to see how people would react.
Here's the issue I have: we are told to wear masks as if they will protect us and yet I don't see any more protection than not wearing a mask. Can I do what I am asked to do? Sure, do it all the time, which includes wearing a mask if it makes other more comfortable. But I don't see the logic in it if it doesn't offer any more protection than no mask at all.
I have loved ones that feel a whole lot better wearing masks. More power to them, I am glad they feel more safe. What scares me is that they could still get sick because the last time I checked, illusions don't effect reality.
Here's my theory on the mask mandates. People need to feel like they are in control, and even more they need to feel like the people in authority are in control. So when something like this comes along, they have to have an answer or feel the wrath of the people that expect one. So the answer is masks, even if they can't tell you how they are supposed to protect anyone when unfiltered air goes around them, and aerosol vapors right through them. Reminds me a lot of The Emperor's New Clothes.
Just glad C19 isn't a death sentence like some seem to think it is. Not saying it can't be deadly, but based on the numbers (even as skewed as they are), most people recover (I know several personally). Do I want it? No, but I don't want the flu or a cold either and don't expect anyone to shut down the world to protect me from something that they can't.
Last point, I do agree that social distance when sick and hand washing helps. Practiced that for years; if I have a cold, don't shake hands and keep my distance and wash mine often to keep from getting one. But this is (used to be?) common sense. Now we have to be told to do it?
Level 1: No air filter = no mask.
Level 2: Metal screen over the air intake = cloth mask
Level 3: Paper air filter = gas/paint mask.
I doubt anyone would argue about level 1. In both cases, whatever comes along is going to be ingested.
In the case of level 2, a metal screen will keep larger particles out of an engine, like rocks or the stray Honda, but driving it down a dirt road at the back of a caravan would be a mistake. In the same way, a cloth mask will keep larger particles out like if someone were to sneeze on your face. But it won't keep smoke out which means it won't keep C19 out as it is smaller than smoke when it is in aerosol form. Nor will it really keep you from spreading it when you talk, yell, cough or sneeze since that air has to go somewhere. Since most masks are loose around the nose and cheeks it goes right out the sides to form a cloud for someone to walk through.
Level 3 is where people need to be if they really want to feel protected, but I have yet to see anyone walking around a store in a gas mask. I want to do it just once to see how people would react.
Here's the issue I have: we are told to wear masks as if they will protect us and yet I don't see any more protection than not wearing a mask. Can I do what I am asked to do? Sure, do it all the time, which includes wearing a mask if it makes other more comfortable. But I don't see the logic in it if it doesn't offer any more protection than no mask at all.
I have loved ones that feel a whole lot better wearing masks. More power to them, I am glad they feel more safe. What scares me is that they could still get sick because the last time I checked, illusions don't effect reality.
Here's my theory on the mask mandates. People need to feel like they are in control, and even more they need to feel like the people in authority are in control. So when something like this comes along, they have to have an answer or feel the wrath of the people that expect one. So the answer is masks, even if they can't tell you how they are supposed to protect anyone when unfiltered air goes around them, and aerosol vapors right through them. Reminds me a lot of The Emperor's New Clothes.
Just glad C19 isn't a death sentence like some seem to think it is. Not saying it can't be deadly, but based on the numbers (even as skewed as they are), most people recover (I know several personally). Do I want it? No, but I don't want the flu or a cold either and don't expect anyone to shut down the world to protect me from something that they can't.
Last point, I do agree that social distance when sick and hand washing helps. Practiced that for years; if I have a cold, don't shake hands and keep my distance and wash mine often to keep from getting one. But this is (used to be?) common sense. Now we have to be told to do it?
SLOPAR72
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It's called reaching.
I hear "mask work" then I here "mask don't work". Both are true. For me it all comes down to numbers. As an example lets say wearing a n95 mask properly fitted, properly handled is 95% effective. "mask work". But hold on there is still that 5% (mask don't work) so technically it's true but not really reflective of the big picture.
So let's say a mask that is not n95 rated and the percentage slips to 80%. Not fitted properly 70% etc. The message I get from this isn't "don't wear mask because they don't work" but instead wear the best mask you can practically get and follow the guidelines on how to properly use it to the best of your abilities. This same argument can be made for hand washing, something most on here are willing to do. Example: hand washing with soap, hot water and for a period of time equal to singing the happy birthday song. = 95% effective. No soap = 80%. Cold water = 70% etc. I don't see the message from this as " Washing hands doesn't work". I see " Wash your hands following the guidelines as closely as you can". Same argument for social distancing, avoid large gatherings, avoid being indoor with other people etc.
The power in these guidelines is combining the practices to the best of your abilities. Of course the argument could be made that even following all the guidelines to the best of your abilities could still result in getting covid therefore " the guidelines don't work why bother".
The guidelines don't have to be 100% effective to slow the spread of covid and just because the numbers are still going up doesn't mean the guidelines aren't helping. The spread could be worse.
We all probably have room for improvement on following these guidelines myself included. If all that your personal beliefs will allow you to do is wash your hands and social distance then do that to the best of your abilities and thank you. And for those who are doing more than they are comfortable with a special thank you. Its easier to do something you believe in. So I appreciate the extra effort.
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Yes, I still feel like a dork wearing a mask but it's getting easier.
So let's say a mask that is not n95 rated and the percentage slips to 80%. Not fitted properly 70% etc. The message I get from this isn't "don't wear mask because they don't work" but instead wear the best mask you can practically get and follow the guidelines on how to properly use it to the best of your abilities. This same argument can be made for hand washing, something most on here are willing to do. Example: hand washing with soap, hot water and for a period of time equal to singing the happy birthday song. = 95% effective. No soap = 80%. Cold water = 70% etc. I don't see the message from this as " Washing hands doesn't work". I see " Wash your hands following the guidelines as closely as you can". Same argument for social distancing, avoid large gatherings, avoid being indoor with other people etc.
The power in these guidelines is combining the practices to the best of your abilities. Of course the argument could be made that even following all the guidelines to the best of your abilities could still result in getting covid therefore " the guidelines don't work why bother".
The guidelines don't have to be 100% effective to slow the spread of covid and just because the numbers are still going up doesn't mean the guidelines aren't helping. The spread could be worse.
We all probably have room for improvement on following these guidelines myself included. If all that your personal beliefs will allow you to do is wash your hands and social distance then do that to the best of your abilities and thank you. And for those who are doing more than they are comfortable with a special thank you. Its easier to do something you believe in. So I appreciate the extra effort.
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Yes, I still feel like a dork wearing a mask but it's getting easier.
SLOPAR72
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Why aren't the ones carrying the Casket not wearing Mask? This is I gotta hear......
JW
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Probably couldnt get any. Red Cross made the ones for the police.
mopower440
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I agree with DionR 100%..TOO much conflicting info on the mask wearing to feel like it really protects anyone UNLESS it is a gas mask or an N100 at least, which i see no one wearing those.We have 2 guys at work that religiously wear there masks. 1 of them would every now and then remove his for a brief minute or so and the other NEVER took his off..very religiously wore his from the start of all this and BOTH of them ended up with this crap! 1 has gotten through it and didnt get hit too hard and the other has had double pnuemonia from it. Again, both religious mask wearers from the start.. Another guy wore his and rode in a car with 2 others and STILL spread it to them! Again, ive seen way too much conflicting info from different doctors and scientists to believe that these cheap masks or cloth masks work and ive seen enough evidence around me to say they dont. Now i am more apt to believe the doctor that said you would need at least an N100 to do any good, again, especially after what ive witnessed at my job.I will say that if i saw the right proof that they worked, i would be wearing one as much as i could stand..Just like this friggin vaccine..thats all we hear is about this vaccine, yet there has been 2 medications proven to get rid of the damn thing but you dont hear about that..
NOTHING is foolproof.
To me it's similar to a casino or trading the stock market = probabilities. I like to put things a little more in my favor.
Run with that any way you like.
To me it's similar to a casino or trading the stock market = probabilities. I like to put things a little more in my favor.
Run with that any way you like.
Valiant63
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Sounds to me like the man knows what he’s talking about unlike some of you. I really don’t know why it’s so hard to understand especially if you’re a redneck or a Cow poke
famous bob
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I`ve heard about both , in the news ----------
I just have my girlfriend rub my new mask between her legs. Then I wear it every chance I get.
Makes you hungry for fish!
Makes me hungry, but not for fish. Fish don't smell that good!
RussellSullivan
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"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I know, I know. We've probably all seen or heard that quote a lot since the mandates and lockdowns took off. I will say that governments do indeed have a duty to protect their people. However, I also believe the mask mandates as well as lockdowns are just the tip of the iceberg as far as regulations and eventual laws are concerned.
I'm no fortune teller, but I expect the mask mandate to lead to vaccination mandates. Obviously for healthcare workers first, as they are already vaccinated for common diseases.
Government may provide incentive for getting vaccinated, such as access to stimulus packages. On the other hand, they may also discontinue government assistance for those who refuse vaccine. They may not force you, at first, but they can financially cripple or bribe you.
As far as I'm aware, police are not arresting people for disobeying the mask mandate. Rather, the duty of enforcement is pushed onto businesses. Make customers wear masks or be fined/shut down.
I expect employers to be the enforcers of vaccines eventually.
In short, I recognize the potential protection masks may offer, but at the same time, mandating them is a slippery slope that I hope does not lead to further overreach.
Personally, I do not wear a mask. I have not worn one since the start. I have known several people with the virus, all of whom have described it as the most mild cold they've ever had. Unfortunately, there are those who suffer from other conditions, which, when combined with C19, pose a greater health risk than C19 alone (obviously). These are typically the same people who would otherwise perish from complications due to regular influenza or the common cold every year.
I say we protect the fragile and elderly, and let the rest of us take responsibility for ourselves and our families. The virus may be highly contagious, but simply being infected with it does not equate to a death sentence.
I know, I know. We've probably all seen or heard that quote a lot since the mandates and lockdowns took off. I will say that governments do indeed have a duty to protect their people. However, I also believe the mask mandates as well as lockdowns are just the tip of the iceberg as far as regulations and eventual laws are concerned.
I'm no fortune teller, but I expect the mask mandate to lead to vaccination mandates. Obviously for healthcare workers first, as they are already vaccinated for common diseases.
Government may provide incentive for getting vaccinated, such as access to stimulus packages. On the other hand, they may also discontinue government assistance for those who refuse vaccine. They may not force you, at first, but they can financially cripple or bribe you.
As far as I'm aware, police are not arresting people for disobeying the mask mandate. Rather, the duty of enforcement is pushed onto businesses. Make customers wear masks or be fined/shut down.
I expect employers to be the enforcers of vaccines eventually.
In short, I recognize the potential protection masks may offer, but at the same time, mandating them is a slippery slope that I hope does not lead to further overreach.
Personally, I do not wear a mask. I have not worn one since the start. I have known several people with the virus, all of whom have described it as the most mild cold they've ever had. Unfortunately, there are those who suffer from other conditions, which, when combined with C19, pose a greater health risk than C19 alone (obviously). These are typically the same people who would otherwise perish from complications due to regular influenza or the common cold every year.
I say we protect the fragile and elderly, and let the rest of us take responsibility for ourselves and our families. The virus may be highly contagious, but simply being infected with it does not equate to a death sentence.
RussellSullivan
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Smart people can be dishonest
plyman
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Yes, when distancing is a problem. Not so sure about how effective they are when people are wearing homemade cloth ones or using scarfs and what about those that don't wear them covering their noses, are they boasting about being mouth breathers?
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