Stop being a dick. In fact, IGNORE responding to anything that I write because your arrogance is never appreciated. No matter what your skill level is, you often look for ways to subtly include some theme that infers that you are smarter than everyone else.
Nobody said or wrote anything about expecting EVERY company to hold anyone's hand. You're continuing the arrogant routine here too.
Nobody said or wrote anything about 9 inch wheels or 275 series tires. That it YOU again.
Yeah...because people always just defer to the forums for advice instead of trusting a manufacturer to build something the right way.
No, they don't. The parts were built wrong. It is that simple.
I'll respond to anyone I want. If you don't like it, don't post ignorant crap.
I responded before you bothered to actually post any relevant measurements of the control arms. Yeah, they should be the same dimensions but mirror images. If they're not, that's a manufacturing error. But you hadn't posted any dimensions when you were ranting about the bump stop "issue"
I posted about my car because I was trying to get you to understand that a large number of the customers buying tubular control arms
WOULDN'T WANT UCA's THAT HIT THE BUMP STOPS BECAUSE THEY WOULD ALSO HIT THEIR WHEELS. So all your whining about it being a bad design or a mistake just isn't true. It's a
BETTER design for some applications, if you realize you have to move the bump stop. I wouldn't buy a set of tubular UCA's with a bump stop pad because I'd know just from that fact they wouldn't clear my wheels.
It looks like with the alignment cams adjusted for maximum caster, if you need more negative camber, you have to give up some caster to get there.
Yes, on a Mopar with camber bolts that's simply a fact. You can't adjust caster and camber separately, it's literally built into the suspension design of these cars and has been the same since A-bodies when into production. The only way to adjust caster and camber separately on these cars is to have adjustable UCA's, or add spacers at the lower ball joint.
I started the thread to let others know about what I found so that they can make informed choices.
I did a search here and did not find this topic mentioned so I moved ahead. Some people buy tubular control arms when making a disc brake swap where the big ball joint UCAs are required. Maybe they are not interested in 18 inch wheels and 275 series tires, they just see an opportunity to install a replacement part that seems to be a step up from stock. What if they have no welder or welding experience? UCAs like these would leave them in a spot.
A few little issues when installing aftermarket parts has become common practice. Very few aftermarket/replacement parts are 100% plug and play.
Anyone that has spent any time working on cars knows that.
Just like when you are dealing with some annoying person....you let a few things slide but as the negatives start to pile up, you are compelled to mention stuff that in and of themselves isn't such a big deal.
This picture is from my build thread, and is almost 9 years old. The bump stop is clearly relocated. I made no mention of the relocated bump stop (it was literally so easy it didn't need mentioning) and no one asked, but it's obvious.
Also, no welding needed. You just drill an extra hole in the frame horn. If you can work a drill, you can move the bump stop. This picture is of the first set of tubular UCA's I ran on my Duster should make that super clear. It's from 2014. I know I've included it in PM's, it may not be posted to the open forum. Either way, it's not news.
There's also this thread, also nearly 9 years old, which covers several different UCA designs and the issues, and advantages, that each of them have.
Tubular A arms slightly too wide!
It also shows another issue that comes up with the "V" shaped UCA's, which is clearancing the UCA mount
I like your redneck hotrodding solution to a design failure issue.
College kids have no business being engineers without first working in a shop for at least a year.
LOL. Again, the design of these UCA's is actually an ADVANTAGE to many of the customers wanting to add tubular UCA's to add clearance for wider wheel packages up front. It's only an issue if you can't see that you need to move the bump stop, but that's obvious. And really a very minor issue in the world of aftermarket parts that don't look anything like the original part they're replacing.
You know, I actually agree with you. I was a bit out of character in this instance. You can search all you want, you will not find a theme of vendor bashing from me. This was inconvenient but not a gigantic problem.
I have to admit though..... I got caught up in the mess with that 72 blue guy. His arrogance and perceived superiority just friggin pissed me off. Instead of ignoring the post or simply replying with oh yeah, that sucks...., he played it off like we were idiots that should expect what we encountered. From there he blabbed about unrelated stuff on his own car. None of that was helpful.
From there, I went for the jugular.
Hey....We just finished a 4 month engine build with lots of small hiccups so we are accustomed to making accommodations for a plan that gets derailed often. I'm used to encountering obstacles and finding a way around them. Yeah, assumptions were made that these would be a direct bolt in since no footnotes or warnings were made. The bump stop pads have turned out to be but a mere inconvenience compared to the weird issues with the right UCA.
You were ranting about a company for no reason (when I responded about the bump stop issue). It's not a design flaw or a mistake , it's literally an
improvement in design that trades the bump stop location for additional wheel clearance. The only mistake was made by the person purchasing a part that looks completely different than factory and expecting factory results.
There are plenty of people on this board that need UCA's with a design similar to the PST design to clear wider wheels up front. If you don't want wider wheels and can't be troubled to move a bump stop a couple inches, well, buy the right UCA's.
