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[FONT=&quot]Hello All,

Some of you may have seen a reference to my intention to write this narrative on 65dodgedarts Member Restorations thread. I gave a brief explanation there and stated that I would write a longer missive for those of you who might be interested.

I was in the USN from 1968 through 1973. I was married from the time I got out of boot camp, and stationed at G'Lakes, IL while attending three schools. Upon finishing my 'C" school, July 1969, I moved my wife back downstate in IL and I went on to Long Beach, CA to join my first ship which was deploying to Westpac in Sept.

Of course this was the same time of year that the "New" car models were released. My wife and I had made an aborted attempt to buy a 1969 Valiant 2dr sedan early in Feb., another story, but suddenly the Duster is on the scene.

I don't know how many of you remember the initial magazine ad campaign for the Duster but I do. It was a Tor Red / V2 Duster in a cloud of dust spread across two pages of most of the car rags. I believe that ad was responsible for the sale of half of the 260K Dusters sold during the 1970 model year. I had a copy of that ad attached to the canvas rack bottom of the rack that was only 18" above my own mattress. Obviously I could see it well as it was so close to my face. Fast forward to Jan. 1970, due to circumstances i.e. I was a non-career designated 3rd class Petty Officer I was going to have pay my own expenses to move my wife and our then meager possessions to the West Coast upon our return to our Home Port. I knew that my 1966 Volvo 122 would not be able pull a U-Haul so I 'had" to by a more powerful vehicle. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I corresponded with a Sales Mgr. that my older brother had dealt with when purchasing a 1965 Formula S Barracuda. I asked him to send me a 1970 Plymouth Salesman’s Pocket Guide which was a small approx. 4” X 8” book probably 90 pages of which I was only interested in the 16 that pertained to the Valiant/Duster. This book listed all of the options by code giving a brief description of each and whether it NA Standard or Extra Cost on a particular model as well as the prices for each. I poured over this book and made the following choices:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Duster 340 VS29, A04 Basic Group, A88 Interior Décor group, A35 Trailer Towing Package (as I remember this got me the 3.23 Sure-Grip rear axle a larger radiator and AC condenser), G31 LH remote mirror, G33 RH man. Mirror, G41 Inside Mirror Day/Night, J25 WSW with electric wash, G11 All windows tinted, F11 50 AH alt., F23 59 AH Batt., H51 AC, J55 Hood insulation Pad & Undercoating, B41 DB, B51 PB, S77 PS, R11 AM Radio, C15 Deluxe Seat belts, D34 TqFlt, W21 Rallye Road Wheels w/full sized spare. All in all this car was well equipped and had a very full fender tag. This vehicle had the standard vinyl bench and rubber mats rather than carpet. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Due to the inconsistent mail delivery, it was semi-reliable if we were chasing carriers up on Yankee Station if we were on the gun line we’d only get mail if we we’re replenishing, re-arming or re-fueling, I was concerned about getting this order in. The deal I made with my wife was that she could pick the exterior and interior colors and I’d specify everything else. I did know what her choices were until sometime later. The mail went back and forth my wife went to the dealer in Champaign, IL and ordered the car. My ship returned to Long Beach late in March and I took 30 days leave on arrival. The order had been placed approximately 10 days before; I did not expect the car to come in until I’d been home for at least a week. I flew from LAX to ORD then home to Danville. Got in at about 10 PM my wife was there to meet me and she had the new Duster it had come in two days earlier. I’d left home on August 10th, (I remember because it was the day after Sharon Tate’s murder by the Manson Family) anyway my point is I hadn’t seen my wife for > seven months and I wasn’t paying any attention to the car even though I drove it to our apartment. Late the next morning I finally went downstairs to “see” the Duster. I was “surprised” and somewhat dismayed. My wife had chosen Y4/ Citron Mist Metallic and Green as the interior color. This combination especially in company with the tinted windows was not a stellar combination. Actually I do not believe Y4 was a popular color at all they only used it in ‘69 and ’70. The color was actually Ok the combo was bad. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]A day later I went out to fill the gas tank the car at this point had approx. 150 miles on it, I also checked the oil and added a quart, I didn’t think too much about this though, it was to be the first of many to follow. When I restarted the car the ignition switch fell a part in my hand. I called the dealership and they told me to bring it in, they were 35 miles away so I called my wife and told her what was going on. When I got to the service dept. they took the car and I went to meet the salesman from whom my wife had purchased the car. I had never met him so I introduced myself and we chatted awhile of course I told him why I was there and as an aside I happened to mention that I’d had to put a quart of oil in at 150 miles. He was quite concerned and we immediately went back to the service dept. The upshot of this was that they decided that there was a problem, when we checked the oil level it was already down almost ½ a qt. and I’d only driven 40 miles. At this point the engine had only approx. 200 mile on it and it had consumed 1½ qts. of oil. It was now the middle of the afternoon; they wanted to keep the car for further investigation so I called my wife and she borrowed her mother’s car and came to get me. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] Four days later I got the car back, they’d had difficulty getting new head gaskets. They were reluctant to tell me what the nature of the problem. Finally the mechanic who’d done work told me that there were no oil rings on the pistons in the RH cylinder bank. I was pretty dismayed and concerned about making the drive to CA. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]This is a good place to stop, I’ve almost filled another page, and I don’t want to bore you to death. I’ll continue this saga sometime tomorrow. [/FONT]
 
were here to listen to ya...lots of old stories ya hear are hearsay this sounds like from the horses mouth and good reading...
 
Can't wait to hear the rest of the story.
Great to hear stories of these cars from back in the day, and the factory screw ups.
 
Chief,

A little off subject, but which ship were you on? I sailed from San Diego around July, August 1969, hit New Zealand for thier Cap't Cook Bicentennial, and then joined the Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club. Returned to Diego late March, maybe early April 1970. I know we crossed the international date line on March 13th, which made the third Friday the 13th we had in two months. At some point our ships must have worked together?

I was QM3 aboard the Hoel, DDG 13.

Russ.
 
Chief,

A little off subject, but which ship were you on? I sailed from San Diego around July, August 1969, hit New Zealand for thier Cap't Cook Bicentennial, and then joined the Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club. Returned to Diego late March, maybe early April 1970. I know we crossed the international date line on March 13th, which made the third Friday the 13th we had in two months. At some point our ships must have worked together?

I was QM3 aboard the Hoel, DDG 13.

Russ.

Russ,

No problem, dialogue is dialogue. Actually I am writing in such detail to encourage response. Now to your question. I was on the USS Blue DD744, Desron 9 homeported in Long Beach. I remember the Hoel saw her many times. I was a FTG3, (Gun Fire Control Tech. for those of you who may read this and are not familiar with USN Rate/Ratings) I don't remember any specific instances though we surely ran across one another at sometime. The Blue's radio call was Gold Eagle, sometimes bastardized as Brass Chicken. I've attached a photo of the Blue taken during Unrep during that cruise and a picture of the ships patch.

Stan
 

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[FONT=&quot]Well there are a few people out there who are interested so I will continue my tale.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]By the time we got the car back I’d been home a week. We were planning on heading out about ten days later. I had a lot to do my older brother was fabricating a Class II hitch for the Duster and I had to get the square tubing for that and get it installed, securely bolted to the frame in four places. That was accomplished so finally we rented a U-Haul trailer, loaded up our household goods, (it’s amazing what you can accumulate in two years of marriage) and we were ready to head or long beach. I don’t remember the size of the trailer, probably 5’x 8’ or 10’. I know it had a single axel and that I also had to rent a pair of towing mirrors that clamped on the to doors. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The last thing we did as we left town was to stop at the Shell Station where I had worked for four years while in high school and filled up premium of course at $0.339/gallon. Never again, I pumped many thousands of gallons in that span and as I remember the lowest price I ever pumped was regular at $0.159 and premium at $0.179/gallon. I also bought a case of Shell Rotella 30 W oil. I had changed the oil the previous day and had also installed a transmission oil cooler. I still had service bay privileges and could buy my parts from a wholesaler. The car had approximately 1200 miles on it when we left Danville, IL headed for Joplin, Mo. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In 1970 the Interstate Highway system was well under way but there were still many miles of other than. We traveled on sections of the famed Rt. 66 off and on from IL to CA. Mostly I-40 & 44 we stayed over night in Joplin, MO 500 miles, two tanks of gas and two quarts of oil. Our next stop was in Albuquerque, NM, another 750 mile down the road we were getting roughly 15 mpg of gas and 600 mpg of oil. The car was running well I was driving about 60 mph and we were not having any problems with over heating. We left Albuquerque early the next morning as we were planning on making it to Long Beach that night. This was our longest day about 14 hours, 800 miles. What was memorable on this leg was the very first time I paid $0.50 a gallon for gas, I was shocked, at a station right on the Continental Divide. I also remember the long down hill coming into San Bernardino, CA . We had no problem with the grades, the Duster had plenty of power and even with the U-Haul pushing on the down grades braking with the double piston calipers was no problem.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Our arrival in the LA area was less than auspicious. I had filled up for the last time before LB somewhere near Ontario, Ca. At that stop I’d put in the 12th quart of oil since we’d left Danville, IL just a little over 1950 miles to the NE. We got back on the highway only, about 50 miles to go, just in time to hit the to hit the evening rush. Actually we merged on to the Long Beach Freeway South Bound from the San Bernardino at exactly 5:00 PM. The truly unfortunate thing was that on the ramp from the SBF to the LBF the rubber bungee for the RH towing mirror broke and that mirror suddenly went AWOL. I had never driven in LA’s rush hour traffic and we were stuck in the middle of I believe 5 lanes at that time. We were surrounded by wall-to-wall commuter traffic going 15-20 mph. I had no choice but to stay right where I was until traffic thinned out. As I remember it took us about 1 ½ hours to complete our journey. I was definitely stressed to the max. My wife was a little excited also, (An UNDERSTATEMENT). [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I’ve got to say that though I was really pretty unhappy about the oil consumption we’d had a good trip. Almost exactly 2000 miles in three days we used about 150 gallons of gas at an average of $0.38/gallon, less than $60 and the aforementioned 12 quarts of oil. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]My wife and I are driving to San Diego for a USS Blue Ships Reunion in Sept. It will be interesting to compare the trips since gas looks like it will cost about ten times more per gallon in 2011 vs. 1970. BTW I no longer have the Duster but I still have the wife. April 20th will be our 43rd anniversary. Once again a good place to stop. I promise I’ll get to the dirty details tomorrow. [/FONT]
 
Warning off topic

Double M,

Here are a few links you might be interested in. On first video taken from the USS Blue during our 1969-70 cruise the is shot of the USS Hoel coming our starboard side. In the 2nd there we are tied up out board of the Hoel in a nest. I'm not sure where might be Subic.

Stan


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ReWyzXqRcU&NR=1"]YouTube - USS Blue DD-744 1969 - 1970[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8U8RMciCwg"]YouTube - USS Blue DD-744 WestPac 1969 - 1970 part 1[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivKq1oAffXk"]YouTube - USS Blue DD-744 WestPac 1969 - 1970 part 2[/ame]

Here's another you might find interesting as an old Destroyer Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7dlpaekrb0&feature=related
 
Chief I have a little different story.

Arrived at N.A.S. Miramar, May of '70 which would end up being (due to an extension in 72) of 4 years. I was a GCA RADAR tech (ETR) and also maintained the TACAN there. 24 on, 48 off!!!!!

My first RR was bought there in San Diego, used, a 69-383 4 speed. Later I bought a 70 440sixpack RR. "We" had a little trouble with the 440 later on.

Later, I obtained a 64 426 Dodge and thought I'd build it for the drags/ occasional street, and "fix" the RR for a driver. I bought a REAL low miles 340 and put that in the 70 RR. One of the smarter things I've done.

Unlike your duster, that '70 would get over 17 mpg on a highway ride, and never used more than a quart of oil between changes. When I got out of the Navy in '74, I towed a '70 Cuda, loaded to the gills with parts, tools, and "my stuff" from San Diego to N Idaho.

340's were great engines. Mopar missed the ball by NOT putting them in the B bodies before the demise due to smog. Would've been great matchups for a 350 Chevelle
 
Awesome story I love these type of stories. My dad shares his stories with me and I learn new things al the time. Just found out that beofre I was born he had a white 64 Savoy ragtop with a 383 in it. Keep the stories coming.
 
My Grandpa was on the O'Brien DD-425 (same class Destroyer) just at the end of WWII.
 

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Off topic again folks.

Chief,

I could write a book right now. Well, except I hate typing and can't keep a train of thought.

The Hoel had our reunion last year in Branson, MO. I couldn't make it, but I sure wanted to go. Our old cap't even made it. He was one hell of a skipper. Came up the hard way, he was a white hat, and quite a steamer.

That shot of the Hoel blowing your doors off (don't worry folks, I ain't dissing the chief, the Navy raced too), anyway, that was me driving. Anytime we went GQ, UNREP, leaving and entering port etc, that was my job. I can drive the hell out of a DDG, but not much use for that skill in San Bernardino after I got out. By the way, that long hill you came down entering San Bernardino is called Cajon Pass.

We hit Po City, Sasebo and Hong Kong, didn't get to go the other liberty ports you got to go to. We did hit Pago Pago on the way to NZ, where we hit Auckland, Gisborne and Tauraunga, then a fuel stop at Manus Is. just above New Guinie on our way to yankee station. Was suppose to hit Midway on the way back, but got an oiler instead. While at the gun line, we blew about 3/4 of the barrel on mount 51 over the side. Had a short round. That woke everyone up, it happened around 4 or 5 in the morning. I ran to the bridge, the cap't told me to hit the GQ button, and half the crew went to their abandon ship stations. We changed the barrel in Hong Kong, which didn't go over too good with them because they were "nuetral" and you weren't allowed to work on war ships tied up in their harbor.

I sure wish someone aboard had a movie camera, I haven't seen any videos of our ship anywhere. I about wore out a little Instamatic with the little flash cube though.

Chief, would love to talk to you sometime. I'm mostly just a lurker here, but check in almost daily to see how my old neighbor Leeanna is doing, and of course A Bodies. When I got out in '70, the next year I bought my '67 Belvedere II with a 273/904. Then about 10 different A bodies since Then.

Oh yeah, I read around 1990 or so that the Hoel was being decommishioned and sold to Brazil as a power barge. Pissed me off, her keel was laid in '62, so she wasn't that old. Anyway, I called the base in San Diego to make arrangements to take my wife and kids down to say good bye. I drove my '73 Duster down, put 4.30's in it to make the trip a little easier (I ran 5.13's) and damn near didn't get to see her. They weren't going to let me on base. I had the name of the guy I had been talking to, so the finally escorted me to my ship (I followed them in my car). They would only let my family go as far as the fantail, but a SP went with me to the bridge. WOW...the memories. You know what chief? For some reason the whole bridge looked smaller. The overhead wasn't as high as I remembered and the bridge wasn't as wide. Damnest thing. When I was a kid on board the ship was a lot bigger to me.

Anyway, Mount 51 and 52 were gone, the ASROC launcher was gone, the sub rocket launcher was gone....the ship was bare. Last I heard she was way up the Amazon tied up for power.

Smooth seas chief, it's been a pleasure.

Russ.
 
My Grandpa was on the O'Brien DD-425 (same class Destroyer) just at the end of WWII.

968FormulaS340,

I remember the O'Brien well. DD725 was also homeported in Long Beach, CA while I was on the Blue. They had a four leaf clover painted on their funnel and the ship had an Irish Setter for a mascot. The dog had six foot square sand box on the fantail and the Quarterdeck Messenger of the Watch had to take "Obie" for a walk at least once during a four hr. watch when in port.

The interesting thing about the "The Luck of The Irish" the O'Brien was something of a hard luck ship. She was commissioned 2/25/44 worked up quickly and sent to participate in the massive build up for D-Day. June 25, 1944 she was hit by a German shore battery they were dueling with off Cherbourg, 13 KIA, 19 WIA. After being repaired in Boston she was sent to the Pacific. January 6, 1945 supporting the invasion of the Philippines, a Japanese aircraft crashed into the port side of her fantail causing slight damage, no casualties. March 27, 1945 off Okinawa a "Val" suicide plane carrying a 500 pound bomb, crashed into the port side amidships exploding a magazine, 50 KIA or MIA, 76 WIA. On 23 December 1966, the ship received three direct hits from coastal batteries north of Dong Hoi, Vietnam, 2 KIA 4 WIA. The luck of the Irish indeed.

I don't know when your grandfather served but it is possible that he was participant in one of these events. You are correct the Blue and the O'Brien were the class of destroyer, Allen M Sumner class.
 
Off topic again folks.

Chief,

I could write a book right now. Well, except I hate typing and can't keep a train of thought.

The Hoel had our reunion last year in Branson, MO. I couldn't make it, but I sure wanted to go. Our old cap't even made it. He was one hell of a skipper. Came up the hard way, he was a white hat, and quite a steamer.

That shot of the Hoel blowing your doors off (don't worry folks, I ain't dissing the chief, the Navy raced too), anyway, that was me driving. Anytime we went GQ, UNREP, leaving and entering port etc, that was my job. I can drive the hell out of a DDG, but not much use for that skill in San Bernardino after I got out. By the way, that long hill you came down entering San Bernardino is called Cajon Pass.

We hit Po City, Sasebo and Hong Kong, didn't get to go the other liberty ports you got to go to. We did hit Pago Pago on the way to NZ, where we hit Auckland, Gisborne and Tauraunga, then a fuel stop at Manus Is. just above New Guinie on our way to yankee station. Was suppose to hit Midway on the way back, but got an oiler instead. While at the gun line, we blew about 3/4 of the barrel on mount 51 over the side. Had a short round. That woke everyone up, it happened around 4 or 5 in the morning. I ran to the bridge, the cap't told me to hit the GQ button, and half the crew went to their abandon ship stations. We changed the barrel in Hong Kong, which didn't go over too good with them because they were "nuetral" and you weren't allowed to work on war ships tied up in their harbor.

I sure wish someone aboard had a movie camera, I haven't seen any videos of our ship anywhere. I about wore out a little Instamatic with the little flash cube though.

Chief, would love to talk to you sometime. I'm mostly just a lurker here, but check in almost daily to see how my old neighbor Leeanna is doing, and of course A Bodies. When I got out in '70, the next year I bought my '67 Belvedere II with a 273/904. Then about 10 different A bodies since Then.

Oh yeah, I read around 1990 or so that the Hoel was being decommishioned and sold to Brazil as a power barge. Pissed me off, her keel was laid in '62, so she wasn't that old. Anyway, I called the base in San Diego to make arrangements to take my wife and kids down to say good bye. I drove my '73 Duster down, put 4.30's in it to make the trip a little easier (I ran 5.13's) and damn near didn't get to see her. They weren't going to let me on base. I had the name of the guy I had been talking to, so the finally escorted me to my ship (I followed them in my car). They would only let my family go as far as the fantail, but a SP went with me to the bridge. WOW...the memories. You know what chief? For some reason the whole bridge looked smaller. The overhead wasn't as high as I remembered and the bridge wasn't as wide. Damnest thing. When I was a kid on board the ship was a lot bigger to me.

Anyway, Mount 51 and 52 were gone, the ASROC launcher was gone, the sub rocket launcher was gone....the ship was bare. Last I heard she was way up the Amazon tied up for power.

Smooth seas chief, it's been a pleasure.

Russ.

Russ,

I'm glad i could provide the links featuring the Hoel for your viewing pleasure. I participated in the decommissioning of the Blue, Jan 27, 1971. She was towed to San Diego and finally sunk, as a target in 1977.

Have you gone to any of the Hoel reunions? Since I retired from the Navy and Honeywell both in 2008 My wife and have gone to 3 Blue reunions, 2008 in Portland, OR, 2009 in Nashville, TN and 2010, Buffalo, NY. As I mentioned in a previous post were going to San Diego this year and to Rapid City, SD in 2012. The reunions are a good time for all we still have one WW II "plank owner" participating.

Fair winds and following seas to you,

Stan
 
Awesome story I love these type of stories. My dad shares his stories with me and I learn new things al the time. Just found out that beofre I was born he had a white 64 Savoy ragtop with a 383 in it. Keep the stories coming.
67DartGT340,

That is a beautiful car, I took a look at your photo gallery, another uncommon color.
 
Keep them stories coming:thumblef:

67valiant 100,

I have a soft spot in my heart for Valiant 2 dr.post cars. I actually tried to order one new in January 1969. If it ever own another A body it will be a 1969 2 dr. post. My twin brother and I also had a 1964 Valiant with the same drive train as your '65 Cuda. I can tell you fro personal experience just how weak the 7.25 rear end really is, I think that we shelled three sets of spider gears.
 
65dartcharger,

Thank you. I must say that you are the reason I started this narrative, the mystery engine tag. I will get to that part of my story sometime today. I am in awe of your build. I must admit that I was unaware of the existence of the 1965 Dart Chargers as a model. I believe that you said some where in your thread that there were only 78 built?

Thanks Again,

Stan
 
65dartcharger,

Thank you. I must say that you are the reason I started this narrative, the mystery engine tag. I will get to that part of my story sometime today. I am in awe of your build. I must admit that I was unaware of the existence of the 1965 Dart Chargers as a model. I believe that you said some where in your thread that there were only 78 built?

Thanks Again,

Stan

Thanks for the kind words Stan. What I have found out is that there were built some 180 factory cars at the LA plant in 64/65 and about 300 dealerkits to be put on cars in the showroom. Since 1989 I have running a register on them and up to this day there is only 24 cars that have been found yet.

I must say that those stories really brings back memories. The third time I was in US in 1988 I became friend with an old gentlemen that was really into Mopars. He told me alot of stories from the WW2 when he was in the Navy. He was stationed on Pearl Harbour when the war came. After a couple of years he called me a said that I could have his wooden crate where they had all their personal belongings when they vent back to San Diego. So the year after that when I came to Portland he showed me the box and the stampings on it. I have kept the box stored safetly.

Looking forward to hear the rest of the story Stan.
PS. Let me know if you need any other pictures of the tag.
 
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