caferacerx
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on the subject of jesus, moses, & allah, there is an old saying that may well pre-date all of them, it goes "beware of false prophets"
I guess I should have picked a less controvercial thought of the day.
I had no idea someone would get so offended.
In my head, it was kinda like one of those werid Saturday Night Live things where the guy would ask deep questions like that.
I forget what they called it.
I was not now or at any time offended by anything in this thread, in fact I thought it was quite thought provoking
I believe in myself.
in the nice countrys they take you out first, in the others they just shoot youYa beat me to it, Dakota. But let's all be thankful that we don't live in one of many countries in this world that, if your lucky, you only get "relocated" for fostering the incorrect (not government approved) religious belief or worse case you're just taken out and shot. What a world eh.
The Lord chooses to reveal only the things to you that you need to know. Obviously, you've read things in the Bible that seemed like riddles, but have you ever read anything in any given book that truely clicks with you? In the Bible, only certain things may make sense to you, and this is because you must believe and love Him to fully understand what He is saying. Jesus answers this questiona as to why he speaks in riddles in Matthew 13:9-11: 10 And the disciples came and said to Him, Why do You speak to them in parables?You can take out small portions and obscure riddles and use them in whatever context you wish to support your motives, but what are you really proving?
The books of the Bible by no means applaude rape and incest and murder infact, they are outlined in commandments number 6 Thou shalt not commit adultry(which includes infidelity, rape, incest, homosexuality, pre-marital sex and pedophilia), and number 5 Thou shalt not murderThese books generally also tell stories of violence, rape, incest, and murder. If you really stop and logically think about the majority of the stories in the bible, it is so hard to believe that they actually happened, that it is appalling that more people don't assume that could actually JUST be a STORY. Sure it can give drones without confidence and direction a pretty good outline to live by: don't kill, don't steal, don't screw your neighbor's wife, but wouldn't it be nice if these drones could just think for themselves and do good just because they really want to. Not because a big bearded dude in the clouds is going to put them on time out an punish them?
Please read this article about halfway down nder the heading Objections and sub heading Biological Deformities: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/who-was-cains-wifeTwo people repopulating the planet without sever birth defects from interbreeding? Parting of the ocean? It kind of sounds like an XMen movie to me.
If people only belive because they were brainwashed as children, then what about those of us who were saved as adults/young adults? Before I was saved I wasn't afraid of death; in fact I was suicidal. I had my own ideas between right and wrong; society gave them to me, I didn't need help understanding. And I question your definition on "free-thinking". Wouldn't that be opposit of what society is saying? Society tells me that I'm a distant relative to a primate, that Homosexuality is fine, that emotionally abusing your children isn't that bad, that cheating on your wife is common-place, marriage is ment to be broken, and yet believers are said to be conformist. Wouldn't we be better classified as "free-thinkers"? I grew up in a family of Atheists, aren't I a "Free-thinker" for opposing what my family and friends believe?Brainwash people when they are children, threaten them with what the scary monster satan will do if they question any of it, and feel great knowing that god is on your side. If it makes you feel less afraid of death and it helps you to understand the difference between right and wrong, fine. Wonderful. Just know that not everyone needs it and freethinking people with logic may laugh at it every once in a while, because frankly it is very hard not to.
When has praying to a person ever paid off? Can a stranger know all of your thoughts and feelings? Can a stranger know you better than yourself? Jesus teaches that all men fall flat when trying to obtain perfection. My birth mother volunteers in a drug rehabilitation center, and yet she physically and emotionally beat me growing up. A person will never be able to live up to your expectations, and will never be able to save you 100% of the time, no matter what good things they may do.Try to give credit to real things and real people in life that inspire you and give you strength. Maybe who you should be praying to when your life is saved is the firefighter that pulled your *** out of the fire or crushed car, or maybe the surgeon that sewed you back up.
You're right, religion is used to elevate people, to rip them off and cause pain. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees and the temple changers multiple times in the Bible, (http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=pharisees&qs_version=NKJV) because following a religion is not what He wants for your life--He wants a relationship with you, He wants you to know Him so that you can trust Him.Religion has made the Pope a celebrity, it has sheltered child molesters and taken money from the poor to feed the fire of the church. It is sick. Imagine if people set god aside and used their money for parks, education. and health care instead of the Pope's fancy hat and candles, incense, and ridiculously large churches that now look like giant corporate buildings or elaborate space ships made out of glass.
I'm glad you asked these questions, it made us all think and I hope I was able to scrape the surface of the answers to them. For the record, these questions don't scare the crap out of me, they're what bring me closer to God. I hope they at least made you think I will pray for you, but not because it will make me look good, but because you're a fellow mopar brother, and I care about all of you. Sorry don't have the aircleaner, got a 69 val grille laying around?I could go on for days, but this is a car forum and anyone who reads this that is religious will do what they always do. Block it out immediately because the logical questions that I am asking scare the crap out of you. You don't want to doubt any of it because your faith keeps you safe and it makes you not afraid of the terrible things in life that might happen to you. So go ahead and say that you will pray for me, it will make you look good and maybe change someone's mind about god....anyone have an extra air cleaner base for a super six set up that they want to get rid of?
*Disclaimer: Not trying to piss people off, just trying to answer some questions and being some ideas to the table
The Lord chooses to reveal only the things to you that you need to know. Obviously, you've read things in the Bible that seemed like riddles, but have you ever read anything in any given book that truely clicks with you? In the Bible, only certain things may make sense to you, and this is because you must believe and love Him to fully understand what He is saying. Jesus answers this questiona as to why he speaks in riddles in Matthew 13:9-11: 10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given
The books of the Bible by no means applaude rape and incest and murder infact, they are outlined in commandments number 6 Thou shalt not commit adultry(which includes infidelity, rape, incest, homosexuality, pre-marital sex and pedophilia), and number 5 Thou shalt not murder
You say that the commandments are a set of rules to make drones out of people, but they are really a way to show us just how evil and corrupt we are. Jesus says if we hate another man, we haved commited murder in our hearts Matthew 5:21-22 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mathew 5&version=NKJV . The 10 commandments were put in place to show us just how much we fail before the Lord, not that if we follow them we'll have eternal life. Even more so, it is impossible to follow them. The commandments in Exodus are only 10 of 600+ throughout the Bible. Jesus came so that we could claim Him as our sin offering to completely clean us of our iniquity. Some say tha because of this we could just run around chopping eachother's heads off because our sins will be forgiven. This is true, BUT after you're saved, you have no desire to hurt your Father. The best way I can put this is if your SO gave you a free ticket to go out and cheat on him/her as much as you wanted, would you do it? In my own case, I would not want to because I love my Fiance too much to hurt him like that even if I knew I would be forgiven. It's the same way with God. After He's come into your life you don't want to hurt Him because you love Him. Just a little tangent here: Many say that salvation is by works; that if you do good things that you can go to heaven. However, if you follow this reasoning, the bad grossly outnumbers the good you do in your life. Then people will ask why believers even go out and do good things if their salvation is guarenteed? It's because God changes our hearts to servants' hearts, that want to serve Him, not because we think we're saved by it.
Please read this article about halfway down nder the heading Objections and sub heading Biological Deformities: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/who-was-cains-wife
If people only belive because they were brainwashed as children, then what about those of us who were saved as adults/young adults? Before I was saved I wasn't afraid of death; in fact I was suicidal. I had my own ideas between right and wrong; society gave them to me, I didn't need help understanding. And I question your definition on "free-thinking". Wouldn't that be opposit of what society is saying? Society tells me that I'm a distant relative to a primate, that Homosexuality is fine, that emotionally abusing your children isn't that bad, that cheating on your wife is common-place, marriage is ment to be broken, and yet believers are said to be conformist. Wouldn't we be better classified as "free-thinkers"? I grew up in a family of Atheists, aren't I a "Free-thinker" for opposing what my family and friends believe?
When has praying to a person ever paid off? Can a stranger know all of your thoughts and feelings? Can a stranger know you better than yourself? Jesus teaches that all men fall flat when trying to obtain perfection. My birth mother volunteers in a drug rehabilitation center, and yet she physically and emotionally beat me growing up. A person will never be able to live up to your expectations, and will never be able to save you 100% of the time, no matter what good things they may do.
You're right, religion is used to elevate people, to rip them off and cause pain. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees and the temple changers multiple times in the Bible, (http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=pharisees&qs_version=NKJV) because following a religion is not what He wants for your life--He wants a relationship with you, He wants you to know Him so that you can trust Him.
I'm glad you asked these questions, it made us all think and I hope I was able to scrape the surface of the answers to them. For the record, these questions don't scare the crap out of me, they're what bring me closer to God. I hope they at least made you think I will pray for you, but not because it will make me look good, but because you're a fellow mopar brother, and I care about all of you. Sorry don't have the aircleaner, got a 69 val grille laying around?