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I am looking for the corner pieces in the rear that go over the wheel well area in a 71 Demon, Anyone know what they are called so I can start asking around for them? These have gotten to the point that when you look at them they just crumble away...............
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I am looking for the corner pieces in the rear that go over the wheel well area on my 71 Demon, Anyone know what they are called so I can start asking around for them? Mine have gotten to the point that when you look at them they just crumble away...............
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Uh, '71 Demon's didn't have fold down seats.

Fold down seats weren't available until '73. So, either you don't have a '71 Demon, or someone added that fold down seat. They can be added (I added one to my '74 Duster), but its not a small amount of work, and if it looks factory then it probably is. Which means, not a '71.

As far as the interior panels, they are not reproduced. I've seen them called a lot of things, although if you're looking on the 'net I usually just type interior panels and see what I get.

Here's a set on ebay

[ame="http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-A-BODY-REAR-INTERIOR-PANELS-FOLD-DOWN-SEAT-SPACE-DUSTER-DART-SPORT-/361091040463?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5412b404cf&vxp=mtr"]http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-A-BODY-REAR-INTERIOR-PANELS-FOLD-DOWN-SEAT-SPACE-DUSTER-DART-SPORT-/361091040463?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5412b404cf&vxp=mtr[/ame]
 
Here's another set. Prices are usually high, and they're not the easiest thing to find since they only came on the '73-76 cars with certain options, ie, space duster, feather duster, some gold dusters, etc.

[ame="http://www.ebay.com/itm/74-76-A-BODY-Blue-SPACE-SAVERS-inside-rear-wheelhouse-covers-DUSTER-DART-SPORT-/371136758168?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5669798198&vxp=mtr"]http://www.ebay.com/itm/74-76-A-BODY-Blue-SPACE-SAVERS-inside-rear-wheelhouse-covers-DUSTER-DART-SPORT-/371136758168?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5669798198&vxp=mtr[/ame]
 
your timing is not good- just pitched that stuff from a dart sport-- Lawrence
 
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I guess someone added it, cause looks like a 71 Demon ��

Uh, '71 Demon's didn't have fold down seats.

Fold down seats weren't available until '73. So, either you don't have a '71 Demon, or someone added that fold down seat. They can be added (I added one to my '74 Duster), but its not a small amount of work, and if it looks factory then it probably is. Which means, not a '71.

As far as the interior panels, they are not reproduced. I've seen them called a lot of things, although if you're looking on the 'net I usually just type interior panels and see what I get.

Here's a set on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-A-BODY-REAR-INTERIOR-PANELS-FOLD-DOWN-SEAT-SPACE-DUSTER-DART-SPORT-/361091040463?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5412b404cf&vxp=mtr
 
I guess someone added it, cause it is a 71 Demon

It looks like a '71 Demon, but that doesn't mean that it is. If I were you, I would be checking to make sure all of my VIN stamps match. At the very least, I'd check the dash, core support, and the package tray. All should have partial VIN stamps.

It's easier to turn a Duster or Dart sport into a Demon than it is to do a factory appearing fold down seat conversion. I know, My '74 Duster will look like a '71 Demon in the very near future, and swapping the tail panel and bolting on a new front clip is much easier than doing the full fold down conversion. I swapped the tail panel on my car already, and even "cheating" to install the fold down seat (I didn't swap the package tray), the tail panel was easier to do.

You can see what I mean in this thread, where I detailed my fold down conversion...

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=258695

I would definitely check the VIN that stamped on the package tray. It's very easy to check on a fold down car, just fold the seat down and look up at the bottom of the package tray. It should be pretty easy to spot.

These pictures below show the fold down package tray. It's by far the hardest part to swap if you were to do a full fold down conversion, which is why I didn't swap mine out. If your car is a Demon that was converted, the package tray is the first thing I would check to see if it appears stock. If it does, then the VIN on the package tray probably doesn't match the dash or the core support.

I'm not saying that your Demon couldn't have been converted to a fold down, but I would definitely want to verify all of the VIN numbers to show it really is a Demon. '71 Demon's are far more popular than 73+ Dusters or Dart Sports, and there are half a dozen, maybe more, conversions or conversions in progress on this site alone- with my car being one of them. I even have '71 doors to swap onto my car. When I'm done, it will be very hard to tell my car isn't a '71 from the outside, and easy enough to confuse even from the inside details. But the VIN's will still all match and show its a '74 Duster. Since a '71 Demon is worth a bunch more than a converted '73+ car, I would be want to be positive all the VIN's matched, with the possible exception of the one on the package tray. But you should be able to check the dash, core support, package tray, door sticker, fender tag, and maybe the rear trunk channel. Obviously, the dash tag and fender tag can be removed, and the door tags are sometimes removed or painted over when cars are repainted.

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"check the dash, core support, package tray, door sticker, fender tag, and maybe the rear trunk channel"

I have checked the obvious, dash VIN, and fender tag. I'll get out there and look at the core support and package tray in the next couple of days.
Thanks for the help.


It looks like a '71 Demon, but that doesn't mean that it is. If I were you, I would be checking to make sure all of my VIN stamps match. At the very least, I'd check the dash, core support, and the package tray. All should have partial VIN stamps.

It's easier to turn a Duster or Dart sport into a Demon than it is to do a factory appearing fold down seat conversion. I know, My '74 Duster will look like a '71 Demon in the very near future, and swapping the tail panel and bolting on a new front clip is much easier than doing the full fold down conversion. I swapped the tail panel on my car already, and even "cheating" to install the fold down seat (I didn't swap the package tray), the tail panel was easier to do.

You can see what I mean in this thread, where I detailed my fold down conversion...

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=258695

I would definitely check the VIN that stamped on the package tray. It's very easy to check on a fold down car, just fold the seat down and look up at the bottom of the package tray. It should be pretty easy to spot.

These pictures below show the fold down package tray. It's by far the hardest part to swap if you were to do a full fold down conversion, which is why I didn't swap mine out. If your car is a Demon that was converted, the package tray is the first thing I would check to see if it appears stock. If it does, then the VIN on the package tray probably doesn't match the dash or the core support.

I'm not saying that your Demon couldn't have been converted to a fold down, but I would definitely want to verify all of the VIN numbers to show it really is a Demon. '71 Demon's are far more popular than 73+ Dusters or Dart Sports, and there are half a dozen, maybe more, conversions or conversions in progress on this site alone- with my car being one of them. I even have '71 doors to swap onto my car. When I'm done, it will be very hard to tell my car isn't a '71 from the outside, and easy enough to confuse even from the inside details. But the VIN's will still all match and show its a '74 Duster. Since a '71 Demon is worth a bunch more than a converted '73+ car, I would be want to be positive all the VIN's matched, with the possible exception of the one on the package tray. But you should be able to check the dash, core support, package tray, door sticker, fender tag, and maybe the rear trunk channel. Obviously, the dash tag and fender tag can be removed, and the door tags are sometimes removed or painted over when cars are repainted.

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"check the dash, core support, package tray, door sticker, fender tag, and maybe the rear trunk channel"

I have checked the obvious, dash VIN, and fender tag. I'll get out there and look at the core support and package tray in the next couple of days.
Thanks for the help.

No worries!

Just trying to help you out. It would be pretty lousy to find out that it's not a '71 Demon trying to sell it as such. And if it is a '71 Demon with a fold down seat added, it would be worth checking out because adding a fold down seat definitely effects the structural integrity of the car. It's not just a bolt in deal, the factory X-bracing has to be removed on a standard seat car to convert it to a fold down, and if the factory fold-down car bracing wasn't added back in it could be a problem for you later. Done correctly of course it would be fine, but as I mentioned before it's not a small undertaking to convert one and be factory correct.
 
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I guess someone added it, cause it is a 71 Demon


That thing is from down here in Florida seen it many of times was a cobbled together mess when I last saw it.
Guy beat the hell out of it too hope he didn't bend you over for too much...
It should also have a set of upper and lower dash pads of a 67-69 a body too
 
That thing is from down here in Florida seen it many of times was a cobbled together mess when I last saw it.
Guy beat the hell out of it too hope he didn't bend you over for too much...
It should also have a set of upper and lower dash pads of a 67-69 a body too

That is the car. My cousin bought it and we are trying to sort it out now. He isn't going to be happy about this. The car was sold to him as a 71 Demon. ��
 
LL29C1B..........guess this guy in FL is laughing his *** off about this sale. Crying shame people are this way.
 
dont matter. it's still a nice car. maybe not to the show car / trailer queen subset.

the hang ten duster also had the fold down seats if that helps you find the panels.

here's another thread about them:
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=246133

as far as i know the name was changed over from 72 to 73. 71,72 was dodge demon, in 73 it became dart sport.
some people prefer the demon front and back so that guy swapped them out. i like them both, but i'm sure he spent a lot of $$$ to swap the front and rear clips.

anyways, the panels that you have now might be able to be repaired...
some body shops are equipped to do plastics repair. if you check around and find a good plastic repair guy, he might give you some tips on how to make them like new.

or someone here who is real good at that kind of stuff might chime in. i know SEM sells a lot of plastic repair products. a whole lot of different products lol. that's why i suggested to find a plastic body repair specialist guy he could tell you which SEM products would work for your type of repair.
http://www.semproducts.com/automotive-plastic-repair
many of their products are not listed you have to search around the site. plastic adhesion promoters, special primers, etc

also this joint http://www.urethanesupply.com/
 
Thank God it isn't my car. I would be headed to FL to have a heart to heart with Mr. Lloyd Olt of Clearwater Fl., who knowingly sold the car to my cousin as a Dodge Demon. Why even the appraiser/inspector for the bank didn't catch it wasn't what it was represented to be.
I never even realized it had a fold down rear seat until Saturday when I was helping him with the car ��
 
Thank God it isn't my car. I would be headed to FL to have a heart to heart with Mr. Lloyd Olt of Clearwater Fl., who knowingly sold the car to my cousin as a Dodge Demon. Why even the appraiser/inspector for the bank didn't catch it wasn't what it was represented to be.
I never even realized it had a fold down rear seat until Saturday when I was helping him with the car ��


I believe the legal term is ""fraud". Misrepresenting an automobile is a federal crime especially if the car crossed state lines in the process. Your friend might be able to squeeze some "compensation" money out of the guy ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A DEALER!!! I have a friend who bought a supposedly running/driving 57 Chevy from out of state. The car did not run or drive (wasn't possible). After a few phone calls to the local Sheriff's office my friend ended up getting a few hundred dollars out of the guy for "misrepresentation".
Doesn't hurt to try???
treblig
 
Demon vin should start as lm23xxxxx or lm29xxxxxx.

Only the 340 Demons started with LM, and Demons would only have been LM29, LM23 is a Dart 340, not a Demon. Base level Demons came with the LL29 designation.

Like this one [ame="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Dart-DEMON-340-1971-dodge-demon-340-six-pack-4-speed-magizine-car-best-in-the-world-450-hp-/271645594254?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f3f56d28e&item=271645594254&pt=US_Cars_Trucks"]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Dart-DEMON-340-1971-dodge-demon-340-six-pack-4-speed-magizine-car-best-in-the-world-450-hp-/271645594254?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f3f56d28e&item=271645594254&pt=US_Cars_Trucks[/ame], which is also being sold as a 340 car, despite a VIN that shows it starting as a /6 car. :angry5::angry4::violent1:

LL29C1B..........guess this guy in FL is laughing his *** off about this sale. Crying shame people are this way.

That partial VIN decodes as a 1971 Demon! But it does show the car came with a /6, not a 340. Vin decode is below, just ignore the 123456 sequence number :D. That also explains the '68 dash, a /6 Demon wouldn't have had a rallye dash. But a '68 barracuda would have...

But keep in mind that all the numbers might not match. That # could be off of the '71 that provided the front clip to a later Duster or Dart Sport. Do the rest of the VIN stamps match? That's the more important part. If the one on the package tray is the only one that doesn't match, it very well could be a Demon that had a fold down seat added. But in that case, I would pull the fold down seat apart to make sure the factory bracing was all there.

As far as the money to swap a later car over, having bought all the parts myself, it's less than the price difference between an early car and a late car. Meaning, its cheaper to buy a '73-76 car in good shape and use the front clip off of an early car than buy an early car in good shape as long as you're planning on painting either one. So, if you're going to plunk down 15k for a nice Demon, better to do that. But if you spend $2k on a rust free 74 Duster like I did, its easier to swap it over. Demon's can be kinda hard to find too.
 

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LL29C1B..........guess this guy in FL is laughing his *** off about this sale. Crying shame people are this way.

^^^^^He's right.
LL29C1B is the start of a V.I.N. for a '71 225 slant 6 Demon.
You have a Demon if the fender tag and the other numbers that are stamped into the core support match the last of the V.I.N. numbers.
The fold down seat option is obviously added, as well as the upper and lower dash pad combo.......
A lot more pics would go a long way here.
 
Let me get over there and look into the package tray VIN. I'll keep you all posted.
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^^^^^He's right.
LL29C1B is the start of a V.I.N. for a '71 225 slant 6 Demon.
You have a Demon if the fender tag and the other numbers that are stamped into the core support match the last of the V.I.N. numbers.
The fold down seat option is obviously added, as well as the upper and lower dash pad combo.......
A lot more pics would go a long way here.
 
Let me get over there and look into the package tray VIN. I'll keep you all posted.

You'll want to check the radiator support as well. If the dash has '68 lower pads on it, it's probably because it has a '68 dash frame, which means the VIN on the dash has been swapped at some point. And if the VIN on the dash has been swapped, you'll want to check as many of the VIN stamps as possible.

Ideally, the VIN tag on the dash would match the radiator support and the door sticker, with the VIN on the package tray being the only odd one out if it had a fold down seat swapped in. And I would take a close look at the package tray and fold down seat braces etc, to see if they look factory, or added afterward.
 
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