Desert Car Kings

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MARTIN said:
And then, they used that belt cutter to bust out the 1/4 glass on that early Dart...
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X2!!

That had to be the worst possible waste of a mopar glass I ever saw, and I admit I lost some degree of respect for them because of it. (Flash of it popping him on his forehead LOL!) It was a total waste, and uncalled for. Should have broke out a window on the current yard car instead.

Any show on classics is better than no show on classics.
The views on the quick trips to the yard is the best part!! I love looking all around that yard whenever we get a chance. I wish I could visit the yard in person. I also like seeing the real customers rides when they come in for parts. I would love to drive Baby there and pull in to shop till I drop, or untill her trunk space gives out. Bundled parts should be cheaper than single units! LOL!!!

Before the show ever aired, I had called out there, and yes sad to say, I was just shopping at the time. I have to say this though, show aside, I had a very good "customer service" experience with them on the phone. I found them to be courteous, polite, and friendly. (which is rare and hard to find now-a-days)
They took the time with me to help me. Then returned my call in a timely fashion with their current pricing. After thanking them, I put them on my,"YES, I will buy from them in the near future, or if I ever get the chance to head west to do some panning, I would love stopping in there to do some window shopping in the yard, and hopefully buy a few smalls I may need for my Dartdom. The dude who goes into the yard with the "regular" customers seems pretty cool on the show, and lets face it, he would be the one your dealing with anyway! LOL!
I am still entertaining the idea of someday when $ rain from the sky for me, I could drive FOTO out there, and come back with a rust free mopar morsel and maybe a second one on a dolly too! LMAO!!

I'm on the fence. Some things I like. That teal 55 truck they did. I was really kinda happy for the young guy who bought it, and he was excited to have won it at his first auction. He even said he was going to use it for his daily driver. Had a grin on ear to ear when he said it and when he was leaving. Hopefully he looked it over well, but I still think he got good value for his dollar spent. Cool looking truck, emblems and all! The yard only made a couple hundred, and I kinda think not all the labor was in that dollar figure. Still felt good about the new owner, hope things work out well for him and his new cool teal 55!:supz:
Other things I didn't like. Would have rather seen a pop on the forehead than a broken mopar window!!:angry2:
If that would have been my back cuda glass broke, someone would have had to haul me away and check me in somewhere.
But it wasn't mine so who am I to judge? I can still see that back cuda glass hitting the deck after bobbling on it's edge and finally tilting over, hits the floor on edge and makes a "BONG" noise without breaking at first tap, everyone looks at it just in time to see it make the last lean to the floor then
BLASH!
Looked like someone dropping an ice sculpture!!
WOW!!
Now thats DRAMA!!!!\\:D/

I will still watch it. Trying not to judge, but just watching for entertainment when nothing else to work on at the time......:glasses2:

More importantly though, if I need something and they have it at a fair price, I'M BUYING!! But I would try not to think of the broken window with the belt cutter. Go pop a saturn window or the mirror in the mens room, or even the front of your soda machine, the window in your bosses car but,
NOT THE MOPAR GLASS YA DUMB GLASS!!!:angry2:

Yes I liked Overhaulin too! I have even taken note of Mikes stencils for his "Real Flames", Not using exact replicas, but with my art background I can get some good ideas for stencils from just looking at the show and drawing my own, then, sometime in the near future using on a more door 74 in my driveway. I already did a roof on Fern inspired by a Foose job on Overhaulin!
Something there for everyone to look at and talk about, just like we are doing now.
Just my 2 cents worth, and it's only worth that much to me!:happy3:
 
I can remember the old debates over American Hot Rod when it first came out. Why is everyone always so critical of these shows all the time? These guys might not take months or even years to refurbish (not restore) a classic, but atleast they are saving some American history from being a parts pile or a lost cause. Besides, its not your car they are working on so sit back, have a cold beer, and enjoy the fact that our hobby and passion is celebrated.
 
I see the broken glass incident and "we must have this done by...." as ways of creating some drama in what would otherwise be a boring show. This is just part of Hollywoods attempt to get your heart beat going a little bit. Given a choice I'd rather watch DCK than the shows my girlfriend watches about picking a wedding dress. :D
 
BillGrissom said:
Anyone notice the Cialis ads that run with the show? An older guy's Chevy over-heats but he is so car-wise he walks past the mechanic and adds water to the radiator himself, then drives home to do his manly duty. Might impress non-FABO viewers since most people today are afraid to open the hood of their "computerized" cars. Maybe they pulled the ad for fear of lawsuits from dweebs who got burnt by spewing hot water when they tried that at home.
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Luckily I have not ever seen the show (and I'll be sure to miss it next time too) but I've seen the Cialis ad. If this guy is such a hot stud, then what is he doing driving around by himself in BFE? And if he knew what he was doing, the car wouldn't overheat in the first place. And another thing, I wish they would stop violating classic blues and R&R tunes by using them in advertisements. It doesn't make me want to buy their stuff, it just turns me off.
 
Jason,

Your pricing isn't "overpriced"... It's ridiculous. I sent you guys an email 3 weeks ago wanting to get a price on fenders and am still waiting on a response. I instead called in and was quoted $300 a fender. I instead found a fellow FABO member who had a pair at $100 each. So, saving $200 a fender is just smart on my part. My suggestion is to not intentionally overprice your parts so people can talk you down to a more realistic price and just set a realistic no haggle price. Because let's be honest. Haggling is for Turkish Bazaar's. Just give us the real price would you? Make it a fair price and you will win hearts.
 
You know what's sad about that Charger....

My old 68 Polara Wagon, towing my Sanger Flatbottom on a trailer would have put a hurtin' on that POS. Heck I might have tore that thing up dragging the boat on the ground! That's an atrocious time for that car. I had a 66 nova with a stock as they come 6/glide that would have been a good run for that car. Sad, very sad representation of a Charger.

And just to let your father know... you can sit at the light after it turns green for 5 years and the time clock doesn't start... The clocks start when you leave the staged beam, not when the green light comes on. If he would have deep staged, it might not have run under 20 seconds.

Turkish Bazaar... LOL
 
I noticed that the engine they installed (green charger) was not painted, had the original rusty starter on it, and a few wires hanging from the starter. Not the way my "restoresd" will look when I install it.
 
I originally was going to play nice... but screw that. these guys are crooks so I am calling them out. NOBODy in az that has half a brain buys anything from these crooked SOB's

Maybe you wouldnt have to overcharge for parts if you didnt waste your time breaking the rear glass on an early cuda. i suppose the $300 fenders is to make up for destroying $500 in glass.
 
ClarkDart70 said:
I can remember the old debates over American Hot Rod when it first came out. Why is everyone always so critical of these shows all the time? These guys might not take months or even years to refurbish (not restore) a classic, but atleast they are saving some American history from being a parts pile or a lost cause. Besides, its not your car they are working on so sit back, have a cold beer, and enjoy the fact that our hobby and passion is celebrated.
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I pretty much agree.. I have never been overly critical of these shows.. I kinda like them.. the only 'car' show I watch for information value is Gears with Stacy David.. other than that its all entertainment for me.. I agree some of the things they do on these shows is goofy.. sometimes dumb, or not what some of us might do.. but.. its not my stuff, isnt my car.. so.. I just sit back and enjoy... I will say though that the Charger episode was irratating to say the least when they broke that Dart glass... I mean really?? wtf is that all about.. are they saying NO ONE out there might need that quarter glass? Business must REALLY be great to just destroy salvageable parts.. They kept going on and on about Charger parts being IMPOSSIBLE to find, so lets go out in the yard and break something from a differant Mopar, because clearly parts are plentiful for those.. yea ok...
 
Ashamed to be associated with these so called "Saving American Iron" guys. I would be hanging my head if I sold that Charger to a father and son for 15k. What a Joke.

Steve
68 Cuda Vert
Charleston SC
 
68383S said:
Ashamed to be associated with these so called "Saving American Iron" guys. I would be hanging my head if I sold that Charger to a father and son for 15k. What a Joke.

Steve
68 Cuda Vert
Charleston SC
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Dont lie... DKK/DVAP RAPED the buyers.
 
I saw the GTO episode. Wow. Bent frame!!! Yikes!! Talk about orange peel city too. Granted it would take me a couple weeks just get a car cut and buffed to my satisfaction. I can't imagine being under that pressure cooker to hack out a pseudo resto. I may watch again for entertain value only. Tough to turn a buck in this industry but maintain some integrity for God's sake.
 
You guys suck lol never heard of this show till I saw this thread yesterday so I downloaded the last 4 episodes last night and theres 2 hours of my life wasted , bad acting , orange peel paint, doors that don't close all the way, what we call splash and dash scam work around here , people who do that sort of half assed coverup work should be shot and p^&&^d on { not necessarily in that order either} that poor kid is going to spend 50 grand in the next 2 years having to slowly redo all the BS work that was done as the car slowly falls apart around him .
 
I see Jason responded in 3 threads here on FABO, this one being the longest, thread.

Am I missing something? I haven't been on much lately, but I did a search and If I read right, there are 3 threads, bout the same but different!
His responce to FABO same on all 3 threads with admin on right behind in all 3! One thread replying to him with warm wishes (mostly) and the other short one looked like part of this thread.

Am I on the money here or just needing another beer??
There is 3 threads right??
LMAO!!!:happy2:
 
I am starting to suspect that the son is gay. The profit margins are laughable. $125 on 1 resto, but owner projects thousands above?
 
ESP47 said:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/2347407927.html

Someone has been watching a lil too much TV. I'll post the quote in case the ad expires...

"1964 Plymouth Barracuda, 273, V8, Push Button Stick. Doesn't run. Restoration project, or parts. Glass value alone makes it a great deal ($2000 back window intact). Asking $1500 OBO"
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Push button stick... THAT I would like to see.
 
SpeedracerX said:
I pretty much agree.. I have never been overly critical of these shows.. I kinda like them.. the only 'car' show I watch for information value is Gears with Stacy David.. other than that its all entertainment for me.. I agree some of the things they do on these shows is goofy.. sometimes dumb, or not what some of us might do.. but.. its not my stuff, isnt my car.. so.. I just sit back and enjoy... I will say though that the Charger episode was irratating to say the least when they broke that Dart glass... I mean really?? wtf is that all about.. are they saying NO ONE out there might need that quarter glass? Business must REALLY be great to just destroy salvageable parts.. They kept going on and on about Charger parts being IMPOSSIBLE to find, so lets go out in the yard and break something from a differant Mopar, because clearly parts are plentiful for those.. yea ok...
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Its kind of like the annoying grab-*** that the people on American Chopper play.......building stuff just to wreck it, throwing bowling balls thru the drywall, ripping doors off their hinges. wrecking their own vehciles in an impromptu game of smash up derby.....but hey, its their stuff to do with what they please. Like you, I sit back and enjoy the mayhem and occasionally cringe.

I hate to see salvageable parts destroyed too.....of course I am a certified pack rat. LOL

Then again, could be that the window was heavily scratched or cracked already.......cant tell good from the camera shots what kind of shape that window was in.

And dont forget -- while we are Mopar fans and desecrating ANY Mopar is
a heinous crime, not everyone feels that a Dart is worth much. I know it hurts us to think that, but not everyone appreciates our Mopar iron. :crybaby:

They have cars stacked on top of one another there......makes me cringe -- but that is what they do at pretty much ANY salveage yard.

Its just metal and glass to them.

Frankly, I think the show works because it is doing exactly what the producers wanted to happen...people are talking about it (and in the TV/video biz ANY feedback is good feedback) and others are checking it out to see what they hub bub is. Check out pretty much any car forum out there and your will find at least one thread about the same exact topic....LOL :tongue3:

Backyard quick-fixes happen to old cars everyday in this country. My guess is that some of us here have done some "not 100% correct fix-em-ups".

DVAP is a business....in the current business model they acquire a rusted hulk of a vehcile, make it run, slap some paint on it and sell it........its a flip, just like in housing.

Is it the "right" way to do it?

Probably not.

Then again, some of the cars they work on would not be worth a full-off professional restoration, money-wise.

Call them hacks, frauds, whatever -- at the end of the day, you and I have our toys that we dump tons of time and money into and will likely never get back and DVAP has a TV show paying them $$$$$ to refurb old cars that otherwsise would have likely just died a slow death. And the buyers have a base car that runs and drives that they can drive now and in the future add to if they want or just drive the hell out of.
 
64dart170 said:
I see Jason responded in 3 threads here on FABO, this one being the longest, thread.

Am I missing something? I haven't been on much lately, but I did a search and If I read right, there are 3 threads, bout the same but different!
His responce to FABO same on all 3 threads with admin on right behind in all 3! One thread replying to him with warm wishes (mostly) and the other short one looked like part of this thread.

Am I on the money here or just needing another beer??
There is 3 threads right??
LMAO!!!:happy2:
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there is three threads. looks like he cut and pasted the same reply in all three of them..

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=132682

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=137938

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=130887


he probably googled desert car kings and the threads poped up in the search..
 
shadango said:
...DVAP is a business....in the current business model they acquire a rusted hulk of a vehcile, make it run, slap some paint on it and sell it........its a flip, just like in housing.

Is it the "right" way to do it?

Probably not.
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My problem isnt that they didnt do it right. My problem (well the first one) is that they do a half assed job and advertise their cars as restored when in fact they are just daily drivers. It is misleading and wrong.

my other problem is their price gouging. All I can do to combat that is not be their customer and influence you all to do the same.... the occasional badmouthing makes you feel good too.
 
hemitheus said:
My problem isnt that they didnt do it right. My problem (well the first one) is that they do a half assed job and advertise their cars as restored when in fact they are just daily drivers. It is misleading and wrong..
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We can all debate the meaning of "restored"

Merriam webster says its this:

re·store

verb \ri-ˈstȯr\
re·storedre·stor·ing
Definition of RESTORE

transitive verb
1
: give back, return

2
: to put or bring back into existence or use

3
: to bring back to or put back into a former or original state : renew

4
: to put again in possession of something

— re·stor·er noun
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  1. The police restored law and order.
  2. The government needs to restore confidence in the economy.
  3. an antique car that is being carefully restored

Origin of RESTORE

Middle English, from Anglo-French restorer, from Latin restaurare to renew, rebuild, alteration of instaurare to renewFirst Known Use: 14th century


Related to RESTORE

Synonyms: freshen, recharge, recreate, refresh, refreshen, regenerate, rejuvenate, repair, renew, resuscitate, revitalize, revive, revivify








I would say that DVAP is doing definition #2 not #3.

Putting the cars back into use.

Its a legitimate use of the word restore.

You may noty agree, but its there in black and white.

In my opinion, part of the problem here is that the high end "car restorers" have bastardized the word to mean "make better than new"...they have raised the bar so high that now they have redefined a word in the industry.

It's semantics guys.

But what is being missed here is that some folks here are assuming that the folks buying these cars from DVAP are complete idiots.

Bear with me a second.

The accusations from folks here saying that the cars DVAP "restores" are hack jobs and so half assed that all you have to do is look briefly at the car to see the problems, on TV no less. I suggested in an earlier post that it might be hard to see paint problems in a 2 second shot of the paint or body on TV. I also said that you don't see much of what is going on behind the scenes and many steps are left out of the show.

I was countered with "its easy to see the problems if you know what to look for"...basically I was told I don't know what I am seeing.

Ok, lets go with that.

The folks going to these auctions to buy old cars are looking at and examining the cars closely, in person, for a while prior to the auction.

Aside from HIDDEN flaws, everything that folks here are saying is half-assed is obvious to see in person, right?

Tremendous orange peel, ripples, poor paint work is all stuff that is pretty obvious to see in person up close on a car.

Someone esle commented about how "the undercarriages are left as-is" (Do we really know that? Or is it that that stiff is never shown in the show??)

Someone looking at the car in person would see the orange peel and ripples and (hopefully0 see if the undercarriage was a rust bucket.

If they were that bad, the cars wouldnt sell at ALL. People going to look at classic cars are different than folks looking to buy a 10 year old daily driver for cheap at an auction.

The buyers obviously think the cars are in OK enough condition to buy them at the prices they paid. They may or may not agree with the word "restored" but they may feel the car is redone well enough to be a great driver for them...or a great starting point...

Not to mention, that a car that would be actually fully "restored" by the definition some here are using (as in put into perfect, like-new shape) would sell for WAAAAAAAY more money......if ALL classic cars were "restored" by the purist's vision of the word, it would be a hobby reserved for the few.

The other possibility is that maybe these cars dont actually ever sell and the "buyers" are plants for the TV show to make the TV episode end well.

Either way, its amazing how nasty the posts have gotten.

Its JUST a tv show guys. NO ONE here knows the full details of what was or wasn't done to a car based on watching the show. For every minute of footage that makes it to air on this show there is probably an hour of unseen footage. That is normal for a show of this type, with multiple cameras running all day.

What you WONT see are potential buyers finding and pointing out flaws or asking about problems they find...stuff that any car buyer would ask about if they see it. Or hours of sanding (or not)......Of course, thats left out...that wouldnt make good TV.

DVAP isnt pretending these are concourse ready cars. They are not, and the prices they get reflect that.

So basically, people here are getting pissed off and nasty about the use of the word "restore" abd accuse DVAP of being swindlers and hacks based on that?

I wish folks got this hot and bothered about the political hacks running our country as people here on this site and other sites are getting about orange peel and the use of the word "restore". :banghead:
 
hemitheus said:
Jason,

Your pricing isn't "overpriced"... It's ridiculous. I sent you guys an email 3 weeks ago wanting to get a price on fenders and am still waiting on a response. I instead called in and was quoted $300 a fender. I instead found a fellow FABO member who had a pair at $100 each. So, saving $200 a fender is just smart on my part. My suggestion is to not intentionally overprice your parts so people can talk you down to a more realistic price and just set a realistic no haggle price. Because let's be honest. Haggling is for Turkish Bazaar's. Just give us the real price would you? Make it a fair price and you will win hearts.
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Just to add my two cents here --

How does that the fact that you found a steal from a fellow FABO member in any way mean that a business should match those prices?

Not sure if you remember this or not, but months ago I posted a fender for an early dart for sale here for my aunt and uncle....it was an original mopar stamped part, brand new. I think we priced it at $350???

Well, I got PMs from people telling me we were nuts and out of our minds for asking that kind of money.

Well, My aunt sold it not long after for $350....the guy drove two hours to get it and was ecstatic!

I have gotten some great deals from forum members on this and the cuda-challenger forum.....but could I expect a business to give me as low a price as someone who has an extra spritzer valve laying in his garage and is willing to let it go cheap? Of course not.

I have been helped by a lot of forum members with parts for my car.....but none of us are in the business of selling or buying parts....its our HOBBY.

What would have been a "realistic price" for the fender DVAP is selling?
 
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