McCail's V.P.!

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2shelbys said:
having Obama win would be a disaster of epic proportions.
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I guess the last 8 years have been a triumphant success? George Bush has the lowest approval rating since Nixon and is quite possibly the worst president EVER.

How about the Iraq debacle with no clear exit strategy and the senseless loss of American lives and Rumsfeld resigning in disgrace? Weapons of mass destruction? Gimme a friggin' break. How about basically holding people hostage and torturing them in Cuba? $4.00 plus gas? Dollar worth about half of what the Euro is worth? The mishandling of the Katrina disaster? Illegal wiretapping? Huge loss of manufacturing to China and India? How do you vote for a party with a track record like that?

Bush and the GOP have run this country into the ground. George Bush will continue to make billions after he's gone, none of it matters to him. McCain is cut from the same politcal cloth of privelage and entitlement, things will be the same or worse.

I doubt that Palin would appeal to Hilary supporters who mostly tend to be Democrats, like abortion rights and are anti-guns. Find me a Hilary supporter who would vote for a staunch conservative just cause she's a woman. Bet you won't find many.
 
rmchrgr said:
I guess the last 8 years have been a triumphant success? George Bush has the lowest approval rating since Nixon and is quite possibly the worst president EVER.You forgot about Jimmy Carter already?[/I]

How about the Iraq debacle with no clear exit strategy and the senseless loss of American lives and Rumsfeld resigning in disgrace?I don't believe the way to go into a war is already planning how to get out of it![/I] How about basically holding people hostage and torturing them in Cuba?And you really care about those people after the way our soldiers have been treated and slaughtered when captured? Yeah, Judge Roy Bean of the old west may have got a few innocent folks, but he sure hung a whole bunch of guilty ones. $4.00 plus gas? Dollar worth about half of what the Euro is worth? The mishandling of the Katrina disaster? Illegal wiretapping? Huge loss of manufacturing to China and India? How do you vote for a party with a track record like that?It's always amazed me that the 'other party' always blames the party that just took over for all of the problems that started during the prior administration. Sure Bush II has been in office for 8 years, but a lot of these problems originated during the Clinton admin and we've been digging out since. Like others have said here prior, who's controlling Congress for the past several years? I usually stay out of political and religious arguments, but there's just too much at stake this time.[/I]
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lmao....who would have thought that someone on here, (where at times people can't assemble a coherent sentence).... someone would use the word panache and use it in the proper context.

Grump, you are my hero:toothy10:
 
Sheesh. I guess there's a reason why my mom never liked it when my dad started arguing politics or religion with his friends. I guess that's why he doesn't have many any more. LOL. My dad did have one wise saying though ... "fight nice kids!".
 
You forgot about Jimmy Carter already?[/I]

He won a Nobel Peace Prize! I don't think W has been nominated for anything except the booby prize.

I don't believe the way to go into a war is already planning how to get out of it![/I]

I guess you must have believed that Iraq was in some way responsible for 9/11?
My thought is that little W may have just wanted to avenge his Pappy for the '91 Gulf War. We really have no business in Iraq, all it did was piss off the entire Middle East and wreck any chance of 'progress' with western nations. The loss of life is shameful and sad, and for what? What did we accomplish? Hussein posed no direct threat to our security. WMD were a lie and it was never proven that they harbored any terrorists.

And you really care about those people after the way our soldiers have been treated and slaughtered when captured? Yeah, Judge Roy Bean of the old west may have got a few innocent folks, but he sure hung a whole bunch of guilty ones.

Hard to believe any of those guys down there posed a real threat to our national security. Plus, we are the USA, we're not supposed to have a Satalinesque image of torture and unreasonable incarceration. That's the reason all of it goes on in Cuba, no one would have stood for those tactics here. Bush took advantage of post 9/11 fear and threw the Contsitution out the window. Might have well just called them the SS.

It's always amazed me that the 'other party' always blames the party that just took over for all of the problems that started during the prior administration. Sure Bush II has been in office for 8 years, but a lot of these problems originated during the Clinton admin and we've been digging out since. Like others have said here prior, who's controlling Congress for the past several years? I usually stay out of political and religious arguments, but there's just too much at stake this time

Typical to blame the other party yes, but as far as I remember, Clinton had no agenda against Iraq or Hussein for that matter. To my knowledge, he tried to broker peace in the Middle East, though it was at times problematic for him. Just so I know, what problems did Clinton create that Bush ended up dealing with? The economy was thriving!

I guess it's all OK though, as long as they don't raise taxes, right?8)
 
I"m unhappy with Bush too, But if I'm not mistaken didn't Clinton shoot a cruise missile at Bin Laden and miss? He was dealing with the radicals then and I don't think that calmed the hornets any. 9-11 wasn't planned in the short time Bush was Prez.
There is plenty of blame to go down both sides.
 
Seems our recession started about the same time the Dems took control of both houses in 2006. Economy was good until then.
 
rmchrgr said:
He won a Nobel Peace Prize! I don't think W has been nominated for anything except the booby prize.


I guess you must have believed that Iraq was in some way responsible for 9/11?
My thought is that little W may have just wanted to avenge his Pappy for the '91 Gulf War. We really have no business in Iraq, all it did was piss off the entire Middle East and wreck any chance of 'progress' with western nations. The loss of life is shameful and sad, and for what? What did we accomplish? Hussein posed no direct threat to our security. WMD were a lie and it was never proven that they harbored any terrorists.


Hard to believe any of those guys down there posed a real threat to our national security. Plus, we are the USA, we're not supposed to have a Satalinesque image of torture and unreasonable incarceration. That's the reason all of it goes on in Cuba, no one would have stood for those tactics here. Bush took advantage of post 9/11 fear and threw the Contsitution out the window. Might have well just called them the SS.


Typical to blame the other party yes, but as far as I remember, Clinton had no agenda against Iraq or Hussein for that matter. To my knowledge, he tried to broker peace in the Middle East, though it was at times problematic for him. Just so I know, what problems did Clinton create that Bush ended up dealing with? The economy was thriving!

I guess it's all OK though, as long as they don't raise taxes, right?8)
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The problems with the middle east began around Carter as I see it. Things were happening during the Clinton administration but it was not in the media. Its what is refered as wag the dog the Lewinski scandal kept it well off the front page.
 
tomt966 said:
Seems our recession started about the same time the Dems took control of both houses in 2006. Economy was good until then.
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WRONG... The economy was tanking in 2001-2003. The only thing that kept it afloat was a stupid insane free money monetary policy brought to you by the fraud that is Greenspan at the urging of the white house. Remember the home ownership push.... How many people that you know were spending far more money than they were making, using homes as ATM's? The consumer is the BIGGEST subset of our economy, and they are essentially tapped out. Here's your opposite reaction straight out of physics!

Got NOTHING to do with who took over Congress.

BTW, I dislike both big parties so I'm not jaded about who's at fault. I do believe there are people, that if Satan was the nominee on either parties ticket, people would vote for Satan because that's the party way.... F'ING STUPID!!!
 
I watched the news this morning and found out like most people did. Shocked is a word that discribes my reaction still. I chose not to comment any further.
If she does leave due to winning, man, thats gonna suck.
 
rmchrgr said:
You forgot about Jimmy Carter already?[/I]

He won a Nobel Peace Prize! I don't think W has been nominated for anything except the booby prize.
Carter was a shoe in for the liberal controlled Nobel process just as Al Gore, hence, they don't like conservatives or anyone who actually deserves it that's not a liberal.

I don't believe the way to go into a war is already planning how to get out of it![/I]

I guess you must have believed that Iraq was in some way responsible for 9/11?
My thought is that little W may have just wanted to avenge his Pappy for the '91 Gulf War. We really have no business in Iraq, all it did was piss off the entire Middle East and wreck any chance of 'progress' with western nations. The loss of life is shameful and sad, and for what? What did we accomplish? Hussein posed no direct threat to our security. WMD were a lie and it was never proven that they harbored any terrorists.
You mean middle eastern countries that want us all dead if we don't convert?
Or the Jews that are on our side and rely heavily on our aid and support against radical islam?

And you really care about those people after the way our soldiers have been treated and slaughtered when captured? Yeah, Judge Roy Bean of the old west may have got a few innocent folks, but he sure hung a whole bunch of guilty ones.

Hard to believe any of those guys down there posed a real threat to our national security. Plus, we are the USA, we're not supposed to have a Satalinesque image of torture and unreasonable incarceration. That's the reason all of it goes on in Cuba, no one would have stood for those tactics here. Bush took advantage of post 9/11 fear and threw the Contsitution out the window. Might have well just called them the SS.
I guess you could invite those detainees in Cuba to live in your home with you, your Wife and your kids?
Or should we let them out to shoot at us another day?

It's always amazed me that the 'other party' always blames the party that just took over for all of the problems that started during the prior administration. Sure Bush II has been in office for 8 years, but a lot of these problems originated during the Clinton admin and we've been digging out since. Like others have said here prior, who's controlling Congress for the past several years? I usually stay out of political and religious arguments, but there's just too much at stake this time

Typical to blame the other party yes, but as far as I remember, Clinton had no agenda against Iraq or Hussein for that matter. To my knowledge, he tried to broker peace in the Middle East, though it was at times problematic for him. Just so I know, what problems did Clinton create that Bush ended up dealing with? The economy was thriving!
Oh yeah, he was buddy buddy with hi PLO pal.

I guess it's all OK though, as long as they don't raise taxes, right?8)
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I think the only ones who actually hate this country are the libs, the rest of the world we bail out with our tax dollars anyways, but the ones we bail out here complain about the party that is not afraid to kick *** when *** needs kicked.
We could settle the arguments much quicker with bigger bombs in a couple days, but we would never hear the end of Jimmy Carter, Jane Fonda, John (fake puple heart) Kerry and the lib weenies that vote for them.

I love the fact that the libs get billionaire backers like George Soros to fund elections, ad campaigns, hollywood movies, and still the american people see right through their BS.

I guess all they can do is keep hoping the next generations will get dumber, and dumberer unitl there is no semblance of the original intent of the constitution, the federalists views will be watered down out of existence, then the socialists can have their social programs just like Denmark.

Oh yeah, read up on Denmark and what their open border policy and welfare programs did for radical Islamic militants that moved their whole families over, sucked the welfare system dry and now want Sharia law to be practiced in their unofficial provinces.
Thats where feel good liberal policies get you.

Now Denmark officials are scratching their heads wondering what the hell they got themselves into.
Who do you think they will call when the crap hits the fan??

Or maybe you libs think we should all just convert to Islam, sing kumbaya with the death squads and let them babysit our daughters while we are at work.
 
cudaspaz said:
I think the only ones who actually hate this country are the libs,

Or maybe you libs think we should all just convert to Islam, sing kumbaya with the death squads and let them babysit our daughters while we are at work.
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Right.

Come on, do you really believe what you're saying?

If so, I'd be more wary of YOUR fanaticism than the Islamic extremeists...
 
I read em all and i think the title of this had something to do with a V.P. selection made by McCain. Maybe wrong. It all boils down to several factors of which have their degree of importance.
In our general elections here in Missouri we have to vote a one party ticket so i usually vote republican however there may be a better qualified candidate running in another party for another office. I am a no party person. We can vote either way in the national elections and i do. We need to put this party crap to bed and vote for the right person. If a person is persuaded to vote a particular way by taking money from someone else he or she is a crook. Any arguments there?? Lobbyist should be hung on the front lawn of the White House. We elect those people to stand up for the people that voted them in and they need to stay in touch with us so as to be aware of how we feel on the issues.
As far as BIG business goes, the comment has been made to the tune of PROFITS dictate their decisions. When they move off shore or out of this country to have their wares produced they are taking the food out of the mouths of the people that helped them build to massive company they have. Let em move out of country and then tax the livin hell out of em when they send their crap back stateside. There again. Someone bought a politician or a whole lot of em. That should be treason.
When Obama says in times of political unrest he would have to side with the Muslims............what part of that statement aren't you people hearing. I realize we need a change but i will have no part in giving the control of a free, i hope God fearing, nation to the hands of a......call it what you will.
McCains V.P. selection sets very well with me and party has nothing to do with it. Look at her track record in Alaska. She even hammers on people in her own party that were involved in activities that were costly to the voters. I would like to think of her as one that can not be bought.......would probably be the first.......but i will not convict her until the facts roll in. I like the fact that she is not a DC insider and has never had the chance to rub shoulders with the likes of George Bush or Ted Kennedy.
Partys aside i will vote for a republican president, and a democrat Missouri governor in November. I will vote the person and not the party and i would recommend that all do the same. Look em over real hard and do some digging on your own.
That's all for now but will probably come back after the blasting starts and i DO commend everyone on the fact that this discussion is taking place without name calling or fighting. Good on all of you. Proud to be a part of FABO. See ya at MMW.
 
The USA actually had negative growth during the last quarter of the Clinton Administration. This was worse than just slower growth, this was negative.

Dick Morris had begged Clinton to sign the welfare reform bill after he had vetoed it twice. Morris said that Clinton did so only after the polls indicated Clinton would lose re-election in 1996.

Don't forget that Clinton signed the biggest tax increase in world history until that point. Those chickens came home to roost (to paraphrase Rev. Wright) a few years later when that capital was absorbed by the government and spent on re-election pork and social programs. Money taken from investors means less money to grow buisness, which means fewer jobs created. It is a very simple relationship to understand.
 
70dartks said:
lol !!! her husband works in the oil industry! wow so does bush, what alot of good that is doing for us!
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Actually her husband is a commercial fisherman and I've seen vidios of her pulling nets on their boat. She's pro NRA and hunts. She is a typical Alaskan and very into outdoor sports. She is pro drilling so maybe we can get that reserve tapped.
 
I guess the last 8 years have been a triumphant success? George Bush has the lowest approval rating since Nixon and is quite possibly the worst president EVER.
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Approval ratings mean nothing because all they are is a gauge of how many people are gullible enough to believe the mainstream media, which is nothing more than the democrat's propaganda ministry. If you think he is the worst President in history you know NOTHING of history.

How about the Iraq debacle with no clear exit strategy and the senseless loss of American lives and Rumsfeld resigning in disgrace? Weapons of mass destruction? Gimme a friggin' break. How about basically holding people hostage and torturing them in Cuba? $4.00 plus gas? Dollar worth about half of what the Euro is worth? The mishandling of the Katrina disaster? Illegal wiretapping? Huge loss of manufacturing to China and India? How do you vote for a party with a track record like that?
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I knew it. Another MSM lemming who does no independent reading or thinking. You NEVER enter a war with an exit strategy because that is impossible. You never know what is going to happen until it does and you have to constantly re-adjust your strategy and plans. Debacle? 90% of Iraq has been stable since before we captured Saddam. Iraqis are voting in free elections for the first time ever.

I won't even comment on your ridiculous Cuba statement accusing our troops of being torturers because I can't do so politely.

Gas prices? YOU ARE CLUELESS. Gas prices are high because the DEMOCRATS will not let us produce our own oil and keep us dependent on others for it just to please the special interests that have bought their party. Hell, the Republicans tried to do something about it but Pelosi and the Democrats decided they would rather go on vacation. GET A FREAKING CLUE!!!

The problems with the dollar are complex and turning it around well beyond the powers of a President but the best thing we could do to improve everything about the economy is start producing our own oil. Oh, that's right. We can't because of the democrats.

Katrina? You are a totally clueless liberal lemming. The first responders in any disaster are the LOCAL governments, not the feds. By law, the Feds can not move in until the Governor of the state requests their help. The governer never requested help. Bush called her and even then she said she needed more time to assess the situation. This is the same Governor who took federal money allocated by Congress and approved by Bush to reinforce the levees and diverted it to building more casinos! And lets not forget the city government that made no attempt to evacuate the population even though they had fleets of buses sitting around doing nothing! Geez you need to get a grip on reality.

There is no illegal wiretapping and what is going on is nothing new. The NSA has been listening to every form of communication in this country for over 50 years. The only difference now is there is a political party that cares so much about their own wealth and power that they will resort to anything, including exposing such secret operations and treason in their attempt to regain power.

Bush and the GOP have run this country into the ground. George Bush will continue to make billions after he's gone, none of it matters to him. McCain is cut from the same politcal cloth of privelage and entitlement, things will be the same or worse.
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You are freaking amazing. In spite of the war, the economy was doing quite well until the Dems took over Congress. I guess you probably believe all the media B.S. about how everyone hates us too. If that is the case, why did Germany and France, 2 of the most liberal, socialist nations in Europe, elect openly pro-U.S. pro-Bush leaders? Why are the British people doing the same thing in Parliament? How is Bush going to "keep making billions" when he is not making billions now? You even believe the incredible B.S. about McCain being the same as Bush? MY GOD. Try telling any Republican that. McCain has oppsed Bush and his own party almost every chance he has gotten. Man. I always try to remain civil with my fellow MOPAR men but you are a perfect example of why our founding fathers did not believe in giving the vote to everyone. Originally, only land owners could vote because the founders were terrified of what would happen if the un-informed masses were allowed to vote.

I doubt that Palin would appeal to Hilary supporters who mostly tend to be Democrats, like abortion rights and are anti-guns. Find me a Hilary supporter who would vote for a staunch conservative just cause she's a woman. Bet you won't find many.
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You are in for a shock on this.
 
rmchrgr said:
Right.

Come on, do you really believe what you're saying?

If so, I'd be more wary of YOUR fanaticism than the Islamic extremeists...
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Too bad, because he is correct. The liberal democrats are more of a threat to the American way of life than the Muslim extreemeists could ever be.
 
Mr. Palin is actually an oilfield worker and member of the Steelworkers Union. He is also a commercial fisherman.
 
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