Nice little read on Intakes

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Old old article that is good but one has to understand that the comparo is only good to a point and that would be for THAT engine combo only which is pretty stout at 12.5-1 & a cam @ .050 of 260.

They test many intakes including ones that have no biz on that engine. There is also another article that shows a much more mello engine combo. Again, as I said above, some intake have no biz on that engine.

The good thing about the test that includes intake way out of there performance range is that it shows just that. Wrong intake on the wrong combo gives up serious HP and torque. Which IMO is also part of the write up to show how to do and what not to do.

What I did like was how well the factory 4bbl. And the Edelbrock did despite being what they are.
I love how the M1 and Holley Street Dominator did so well. Most people balk at these intakes. There is a big 60HP differance between the dual and single planes on the above mentioned.
Still, running what you got proves to be OK sometimes. As long as your not racing for the money so to speak.

There is much to learn from this. More than what the surface reports. Remember FABO people, combo, combo, combo dependent!
 
rumblefish360 said:
Old old article that is good but one has to understand that the comparo is only good to a point and that would be for THAT engine combo only which is pretty stout at 12.5-1 & a cam @ .050 of 260.

They test many intakes including ones that have no biz on that engine. There is also another article that shows a much more mello engine combo. Again, as I said above, some intake have no biz on that engine.

The good thing about the test that includes intake way out of there performance range is that it shows just that. Wrong intake on the wrong combo gives up serious HP and torque. Which IMO is also part of the write up to show how to do and what not to do.

What I did like was how well the factory 4bbl. And the Edelbrock did despite being what they are.
I love how the M1 and Holley Street Dominator did so well. Most people balk at these intakes. There is a big 60HP differance between the dual and single planes on the above mentioned.
Still, running what you got proves to be OK sometimes. As long as your not racing for the money so to speak.

There is much to learn from this. More than what the surface reports. Remember FABO people, combo, combo, combo dependent!
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All very good points. I found it interesting as well. Definitely not the gospel by any means but still good information to know.

The biggest thing to me, that I've learned anyway, is that each and every engine is different.
 
Each engine is VERY different indeed! My hi-po 273 has never ran better then it does now with the eddy LD4B on it! Cleanes up the cruising speed a/f ratio & gave it low end torque it never had with the stock single plane!
 
dukeboy_318 said:
Seen quite a few questions on intakes lately, mine included. During my reasearch, I stumbled on to this article. Seems pretty informative and a good overall comparison of intakes. It's worth a read. May surprise a few people too.


http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/mopp-0207-intake-manifold-engine-and-rpm-range-test/
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WINNERS

Edelbrock Victor 440
Max hp: 637.7@6,400 rpm
Max Torque: 593.0@4,700 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 568.1 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 570.1 lb-ft

Edelbrock Torker (original)
Max hp: 605.8@5,500 rpm
Max Torque: 608.4@4,700 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: : 0564.6 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 565.5 lb-ft

Holley Street Dominator
Max hp: 636.0@6,{{{200}}} rpm
Max Torque: 598.2@5,000 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 572.5 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 571.1 lb-ft


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LOSERS

Mopar Performance M-1
Max hp: 628.9@6,{{{100}}} rpm
Max Torque: 589.3@4,900 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 563.7 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 566.9 lb-ft

Edelbrock Torker II
Max hp: 627.8@6,300 rpm
Max Torque: 593.3@4,{{{900}}} rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 565 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 563.3 lb-ft

Edelbrock TM-7
Max hp: 618.3@6,{{{200}}} rpm
Max Torque: 601.7@4,{{{900}}} rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,{{{600}}} rpm: 568.5 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 568.1 lb-ft

Edelbrock Performer rpm
Max hp: 610.2@6,{{{100}}} rpm
Max Torque: 590.2@4,000 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 555.9 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: :555.4 lb-ft

Edelbrock CH4B
Max hp: 607@6,400 rpm
Max Torque: 573.7@4,000 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,{{{600}}} rpm: 544.6 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 543.5 lb-ft

Weiand Team G Track Ram
Max hp: 597.2@6,{{{300}}} rpm
Max Torque: 569@4,{{{900}}} rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,{{{600}}} rpm: 540.3 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 534.3 lb-ft

Weiand Action+
Max hp: 597.2@6,300/6,400 rpm
Max Torque: 564@4,000 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 536.9 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 535.7 lb-ft

Factory Iron circa '70-'71
Max hp: 575.4@6,{{{200}}} rpm
Max Torque: 581.2@4,000 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,{{{600}}} rpm: 534.3 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: :535.1 lb-ft




rumblefish360 said:
They test many intakes including ones that have no biz on that engine.
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Like the street dominator... but it won 2 categories anyway
 
I would not exactly call a few of them losers.
Even more so on the M1 after plenum mod to better work with a Holley. That intake picks up really well when it's done.
 
rumblefish360 said:
I would not exactly call a few of them losers.
Even more so on the M1 after plenum mod to better work with a Holley. That intake picks up really well when it's done.
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So an expensive intake, after modification, can keep up with a OOTB intake, maybe.

Hughes publicizes clear as day on their website that they do not recommend the M1 intake. In addition I am having my new heads and intake ported by Laroy. Recommended single plane, Victor.
 
roccodart440 said:
WINNERS


Edelbrock Performer rpm
Max hp: 610.2@6,{{{100}}} rpm
Max Torque: 590.2@4,000 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 555.9 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: :555.4 lb-ft

Edelbrock Torker II
Max hp: 627.8@6,300 rpm
Max Torque: 593.3@4,{{{900}}} rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 565 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 563.3 lb-ft
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This is what I found most interesting to me. When I posted a thread about the Torker II, pretty much everyone that responded, at least 90%, said to scrap it and get a RPM. Looks like these two are pretty close with the slight edge to the Torker II. At least on this particular engine. Granted my build is different and not as much compression, I'd venture to say that using either one of these two intakes isn't gonna be giving up much over the other. So I think I shall just stick with my cheap swap meet Torker II
 
I'm not sure what you use is but one thing I notice is the RPM makes it's torque, similar power at lower RPMs. I'll be honest with you, I would never pass off a torker II after reading this article.

Edelbrock Performer rpm
Max hp: 610 @ 6,100 rpm
Max Torque: 590 @ 4,000 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 556 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 555 lb-ft

Edelbrock Torker II
Max hp: 628 @ 6,300 rpm
Max Torque: 593 @ 4,900 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 565 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 563 lb-ft


ANd if you look at the original list I made I edited it so it is all in order now.
 
roccodart440 said:
I'm not sure what you use is but one thing I notice is the RPM makes it's torque, similar power at lower RPMs. I'll be honest with you, I would never pass off a torker II after reading this article.

Edelbrock Performer rpm
Max hp: 610 @ 6,100 rpm
Max Torque: 590 @ 4,000 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 556 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 555 lb-ft

Edelbrock Torker II
Max hp: 628 @ 6,300 rpm
Max Torque: 593 @ 4,900 rpm
Avg. hp 4,000-6,600 rpm: 565 hp
Avg. Tq 4,000-6,600 rpm: 563 lb-ft


ANd if you look at the original list I made I edited it so it is all in order now.
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Nice. Yeah, my use is a 9.5 to 10:1 compression, aluminum headed 440, 4 speed, 3.91 sure grip with 28 in tires. Dart should weigh in when done around 3100 lbs.
 
Though I may try to find me a street dominator as well
 
I have allways said that IF you decide on a TorkerII-340/360, that this intake works well if your going to want to ignore the lower RPM range. I est. @ approx. 3000/3500 RPM's for most street machines.

Now the cam they used in the rag article was IMO a bit (LOL) bigger than most guys will run on the street. And with such said cams in use, a good bit of converter and gear are going to be employed to have it all work well.

I never complained about my TorkerII/360.

Also, IMO, the Holley Strip Dominator, was not out to its potential.
 
rumblefish360 said:
I have allways said that IF you decide on a TorkerII-340/360, that this intake works well if your going to want to ignore the lower RPM range. I est. @ approx. 3000/3500 RPM's for most street machines.

Now the cam they used in the rag article was IMO a bit (LOL) bigger than most guys will run on the street. And with such said cams in use, a good bit of converter and gear are going to be employed to have it all work well.

I never complained about my TorkerII/360.

Also, IMO, the Holley Strip Dominator, was not out to its potential.
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Um...I'm taking about big blocks, in particular the 440. Not sure where you got the 3460/360 thing from?
 
The second article on small blocks.

Big block wise, I have noticed that no matter what intake you put on top, "for the street" you can not go wrong. If your at the strip and NEED that last bit of HP for heads up racing, then another story it becomes. If your racing brackets, you do not need every last bit of power. Just one thing counts. Consistency!!!! And nothing else!!!
 
roccodart440 said:
So an expensive intake, after modification, can keep up with a OOTB intake, maybe.

Hughes publicizes clear as day on their website that they do not recommend the M1 intake. In addition I am having my new heads and intake ported by Laroy. Recommended single plane, Victor.
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Are you racing heads up?
 
rumblefish360 said:
Are you racing heads up?
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Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Depends on the race. They have certain days that are street car shootout days. Those are heads up with a pro tree. The other days are NHRA bracket style.

Currently I run an RPM intake.
 
Then to anybody racing heads up, make absolutely sure that everything is set to maximum acceleration and performance level possible.
In the street, I do think so very much you would be hard pressed to know, feel or see the differance.

At the track where the win light comes on, is when you will know and the time slip will tell you what works best.

Rocco, as far as the M1 single is concerned, I simply listen to people smarter than me and those that have been there and done that. With that intake and what I have been told by people that have modified it and Dyno tests done, that's all the proof I need.

The mod works!

I do so have allways wished for one that didn't need mods but there cast to accept the TQ. It is what it is.
 
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