who is into Nascar

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no offense but watching to hope they crash if pretty f**ked up... those guys can get injured or killed at those speeds (yes I know its their choice but not what im getting at), the loss of equipment, and the possible loss of fans in the seats.

I was watching at Santa Maria Dirt Oval in Central CA and I saw two of the worst crashes I have ever seen, one is always top ten in the "world worst crashes" show and the other they wont play. the top ten was a Sprint car with the wing on (they ran without a lot as SM) and he got bumped in the entrance of the number one turn, rolled and rolled and damn near flipped up and over the fence into the parking lot. they had to pull the car off the top of the fence. I cant find it on youtube but I recall it being late 90's early 2000's.

the next and worst was also at SM. again the sprint cars with the wings on were really going after it, they were getting close to the final laps and in turn three someone bumped another or a tire let loose I don't know, but he rolled I don't know how many times at speed almost thru turn 4 onto the front straight away. well about half way between 3 and 4 you see a helmet come out of the car and roll down the front straight away, it went dead quiet then. the car finally stopped and the Alky was running all over the track and all over the car, seemed like for ever and then the driver popped up out of the car, walked away unhurt thankfully. got the car pushed out and lit the alky.

my point being is I would never hope to see any of the classes of racing crash, and nascar fan seem to thrive on it... :wack:

EDIT: bomber might have been/seen those back in the day, I was just a little guy still but I remember...
 
I also agree that Formula 1, Lemans style, and rally racing are MUCH more interesting to watch, and probably more interesting to paricipate in, but also VERY expensive.

That's where drag racing shines. If you can get ANY car to run consistantly, you have a shot of winning.
 
well for me its either watch the race OR watch Harry Potter ....again

so might as well try out something new

LOL Yup, I guess you should give it a try!

I for one, liked it when they ran real bodied cars like a few others here.

I hope you enjoy it very much!!!
 
I used to love Nascar. But now that toyota is in it I havent watched a race.
 
Some things I like and some things I hate about NASCAR. Its more than round and round. Its a drag race stretched out. Driving a car at 200 mph into a corner maintain momentum then drive it hard off the corner. Plus proper pit stops and taking care of the car. I watch but NHRA is my favorite. But in NASCAR my favorite driver is Kasey Kane!!!!!!!!!!!!
So watch and make your own opinion. But the old days are the best.
 
Sorry Rani, i was a fan for most of my 54+ years, but while i still like a few drivers, i've completely lost interest in the sport itself over the last 5 yrs or so. I feel quilty sometimes as i relate to most of the fans, but it's just gotten too regulated and commercial for me.

I'm a born drag racer at heart, and that will never change. I just hope NHRA/IHRA doesn't get to the point that Nascar has, although they'd love the coin. If that happens, a lot will just go back to old fashioned street racing.......Even as fun as it was 30/40/50 years ago, lets hope not.
 
I also agree that Formula 1, Lemans style, and rally racing are MUCH more interesting to watch, and probably more interesting to paricipate in, but also VERY expensive.

That's where drag racing shines. If you can get ANY car to run consistantly, you have a shot of winning.

Formula 1? The racing series that 92% of all passes are made during pit stops? Talking about boring.

I used to love Nascar. But now that toyota is in it I havent watched a race.

A manufacturer can decide for you if you like a sport or not? Sounds small minded. I figure the more competition the better.


I have loved NASCAR ever since most of the races were available on tv, which for us on the west coast was 1991 or so. It's not for everyone. For me it's like a chess match of endurance. As far as some people saying its not like it use to be? What? Like back in the 60's and 70's when there were maybe 2 or 3 cars on the lead lap at the end of the race? Today's NASCAR is the most competitive it has ever been in its history. Do I agree with every change that has been made? No! But for me it is still my favorite sport. Drag racing next, and football once the NASCAR season is over.

I say give it a try Rani. If you don't like it that's fine, it's not everyone's cup of tea. Try to decide on your own though, and not let haters sway your decision.
 
Formula 1? The racing series that 92% of all passes are made during pit stops? Talking about boring.



A manufacturer can decide for you if you like a sport or not? Sounds small minded. I figure the more competition the better.


I have loved NASCAR ever since most of the races were available on tv, which for us on the west coast was 1991 or so. It's not for everyone. For me it's like a chess match of endurance. As far as some people saying its not like it use to be? What? Like back in the 60's and 70's when there were maybe 2 or 3 cars on the lead lap at the end of the race?

Exactly. That is why I don't like it now. Restrictor plates are bullshit. That's all they are about. Bunching cars up so an accident is more readily available to keep fans excited. No more "run what you bring". Boring.

Today's NASCAR is the most competitive it has ever been in its history. Do I agree with every change that has been made? No! But for me it is still my favorite sport. Drag racing next, and football once the NASCAR season is over.

Horse feathers! The competition has been removed. They all drive the same shape the same size and the same weight. Might as well be the same make. These new cars any one of us here could learn to drive in a week. Almost no talent required anymore. Lets see gayboy Gordon drive a Superbird at 200 plus around Talladega with bias plys and an archaic by today's standards suspension. Ain't happenin, bud. He'd actually have to work for a livin.

I say give it a try Rani. If you don't like it that's fine, it's not everyone's cup of tea. Try to decide on your own though, and not let haters sway your decision.

Rani asked for opinions. Somebody likes or hates NASCAR or anywhere in between, that's their business. You got your opinion and other people have theirs and they are entitled to it without being called a hater. Just because you love all them sissy boys drivin cars that almost drive themselves doesn't give you the right to bash someone's else's opinion.
 
Rani asked for opinions. Somebody likes or hates NASCAR or anywhere in between, that's their business. You got your opinion and other people have theirs and they are entitled to it without being called a hater. Just because you love all them sissy boys drivin cars that almoat drive themselves doesn't give you the right to bash someone's else's opinion.


exactly... competition is not derived from making everyone the same. to the best of my knowledge the daytona still holds the record at talledega at something like 203 AVERAGE...
 
ok .....lets take it easy guys ....you never really know what to expect when you start a thread but personally I thought there would be more fans and they would tell me what to look for and more to understand the sport better.

we obviously have differing opinions here but that's no need to get upset ....we are still FABO family and here to help each other.
 
ok .....lets take it easy guys ....you never really know what to expect when you start a thread but personally I thought there would be more fans and they would tell me what to look for and more to understand the sport better.

we obviously have differing opinions here but that's no need to get upset ....we are still FABO family and here to help each other.

love the minion first off

and nascar is just one of those things in motorsports, if you can call it that...
 
QUOTE=RaniDart70;1970142471]ok .....lets take it easy guys ....you never really know what to expect when you start a thread but personally I thought there would be more fans and they would tell me what to look for and more to understand the sport better.

we obviously have differing opinions here but that's no need to get upset ....we are still FABO family and here to help each other.[/QUOTE]

I can and do give everyone there opinion ....
Like any motor sport I know theese car do not drive there self and none of these cars hit the track ready to go...Each team sets there car up for each track and have an alloyed amount of tires they can use at each track and it is up to the
how the crew chef of each team :thumblef: some teams set there car up to save tires and gas, use a deferent gear (depending on what track they are at) usually pick from 2 gear sets... They all have to use the same tire, but they pick how to set the car up, long run cars will be set up loose and with less down force and some teams use deferent cam shafts to get horse power to get off the corner power just like a drag racer wants to, but some cam shafts will use to much gas or deliver to much aggressive throttle response when matted, unlike drag racing they can set a clutch pack up .
Wrong cam and compression the car will not make it threw the hole race and go bomb :D The crew chef and the driver talks to each other while they are racing or practice and even qualifying to see who starts up front .
Who ever is the fastest in qualifying they start up front and get to pick where the pit is, the first pit or last pit stall is best so entering and exiting after the pit crew fills the race car with gas and replace new tires as they chose adjust the car and do it in about 14 seconds :shock:
When picking a driver/car to win most races they have to have a fast talented tuff smart pit crew and crew chef :thumblef:
All these cars have to pass safety inspection and body height and arrow so no one will cheat, Jimmy Johnson was caught last year after a race having a different front pillar shape that helped him with speed, thus why they look the same in some area's, They are not the same in most areas, the Fords have there front nose and rear cap so to say they are the same is bs, they build there own engines or have there pick of who douse if they don't do them there self..
Now to the drivers, there is some that can give good info to there crew chef and the crew chef will know what to do to the car when it pit's, some drivers get out of control and complain about things and not give feed back to make the car better threw out a race, heck some races they will pit up to 5 times and more depending on how many yellow flags are thrown because of trash on the track or a wreck. Toyota blew up a bunch of engines because they was trying to make to much HP earlier this season.
The drivers have there hands full and are in great shape, no I would not say these cars drive there self and never will...I like watching these teams work together, and when they go to a road coarse (I believe 2 races) they have to change where the gas is put in the car because when they pit the passenger side is used unlike the rest of the tracks where they fuel the car on the drivers side.
Managing your driver and watching where he is at and who is racing him is a big help, some folk like Mark Martin will hold his line and not block a faster car becouse he stays cool and know if he don't get out of the way he will get moved out of the way buy the faster car at the time, that is where the spotter comes in and radios him to let the driver know to stay your line or when a wreck happens the spotter will inform him to slow down and stay low or high.. Yes it's a team sport, And if anyone thinks these cars drive there self and just going around and round ......... well that's there opinion..
Give it a try Rani, I like working/playing with my car and watch/listen when I can, heck, I go to George Rays Dragstrip and listen to the race on Sundays and watch drag racing at the same time :thumblef:

I hope I see you jump in the NHRA and NASCAR thread and join in the fun as we try and pick the winners :happy2: 6pk C is doing real well in the NHRA thread and we have fun :cheers: ocdarts is committed to doing a great job in his threads many of us enjoy :glasses7:.
Another tid bit of info for you is they are running fuel injection in the Sprint cup this year and know can depend on a computer stile ignition box that tells them how the driver and fuel is working.. And every track I have watched raced on the record has been broken buy these new race cars.

I woke up to a pack of dogs or something crossing the hill and had to check it out and let Buddy (My Boxer) know he is doing a good job and let what ever out there see me hit the lights and see what was going on so I was woke up and happy to take the time to help a bit if I did. :happy2:
 
I went to a race in Vegas a few years back and loved it, can't wait to get back there for another one.
 
I had a mechanic friend who went all the time to NASCAR races. He described them the best I've ever heard. "One big drunk" is what he used to call them. LOL One of the damned best drivability guys I ever met. May he RIP.
 
I had a mechanic friend who went all the time to NASCAR races. He described them the best I've ever heard. "One big drunk" is what he used to call them.

Which is one of the main reasons I gave up my two PSL season tickets at Texas Motor Speedway. Every race, the four seats in front of me were occupied by loud, foul mouthed drunks who chain smoked. Not that I cared if they drank and smoked, but I can get that for free in any bar, and don't need to spend $700 a year to sit behind them.
 
Memike,glad to see a rational discussion about NASCAR from you.I enjoyed the old NASCAR and I enjoy the new NASCAR although NHRA drag racing is my favorite between the two.
 
Rani..to appreciate or not appreciate both you should attend the races live. Television doesn't do it justice.
I would go see a Nascar race first.
Then go to an NHRA event second
You won't go back to a Nascar race or even watch in TV when you see two Top Fuel cars make a pass. Nothing like it.
And if you are fortunate to be out West or in Baja there is nothing like 800hp Trophy Trucks thundering through the desert. These compete in the SCORE and HDRA series.
 
Which is one of the main reasons I gave up my two PSL season tickets at Texas Motor Speedway. Every race, the four seats in front of me were occupied by loud, foul mouthed drunks who chain smoked. Not that I cared if they drank and smoked, but I can get that for free in any bar, and don't need to spend $700 a year to sit behind them.


My wife and I had season tickets to California Speedway in Fontana for the first four years when they first opened. We had great seats about 2/3 of the way from Turn 4 to the Start/Finish Line and high enough that we could see the entire track. We never had a problem with drunks but I finally gave them up because of the financial impact and the weather because of when the NASCAR races were scheduled.
* Finances: The last year I had tickets they required you to buy all of the support races in order to keep your established seats. We were only interested in going to the Sunday races but had to buy tickets for all of the other races that weekend. I always ended up giving away the tickets to the truck races, the ARCA races, etc.
* Weather: First race was early in the season and was always very cool, almost cold, windy and half the time rainy. My wife would spend most of the time under the grandstands where it was warmer and dry. The second race was Labor Day weekend and always hot. My wife would spend most of the time under the grandstands where it was shady and a little cooler - probably wishing it was cool and breezy.
We just made the decision we could be more comfortable, see better (with as many replays as we wanted), and have better food for less money by staying home and watching the race we wanted to see on TV.

She doesn't go to NHRA national events as it's much too loud for her (and she thinks drag racing is boring - go figure).
 
You won't go back to a Nascar race or even watch in TV when you see two Top Fuel cars make a pass. Nothing like it.
Top Fuel is not for everyone, nor are any dragster classes. When I go to NHRA events, I watch Pro-Stock and sportsman classes and wander the pits when dragsters are running. If it doesn't have doors, I'm not interested.
 
Top Fuel is not for everyone, nor are any dragster classes. When I go to NHRA events, I watch Pro-Stock and sportsman classes and wander the pits when dragsters are running. If it doesn't have doors, I'm not interested.

Gary,

I am complete agreement with you. While everyone piles into the beer and food lines after the pro classes run I stay and watch the sportsman classes.
But for pure brute strength of the internal combustion engine these top fuel and funny car engines run are just amazing.

Cheers
 
Memike,glad to see a rational discussion about NASCAR from you.I enjoyed the old NASCAR and I enjoy the new NASCAR although NHRA drag racing is my favorite between the two.

Thank you Back in Time :thumblef: Rani asked and I hope she could understand my writing and direction I was trying to explain, and I enjoyed writing that long post for her, and I bet all the members would be so happy to see her jump in ocdart's threads and join in on nhra and nascar and test the waters for her self.
She has an open mind and I knew I was not wasting my time writing/typing it out and just touched on a few things. :thumblef:
When I got dun typing that (probably the longest post I have ever made) I looked at the clock :shock: dang that went by fast. and was tired and relaxed enough to fall back to sleep. Again thank you :hello2:
 
As a spectator at a NHRA event, the only classes tough for me to watch are the "Super class" cars......10.90, 9.90, 8.90, etc. Not that I don't appreciate them, but it's a lot more fun to participate then watch. Other then that, i'm all over everything. I always used to go when the gates opened Thurs/Fri to chat with the drivers. Some of the nicest people on the planet. If you visit the "less popular at the time" drivers, they'll treat you like the've known you forever. Back in the 80's at Maple Grove, I was invited into trailers, given personal tours of the operations, and generally treated like family by a lot of big names. That's just not gonna happen at a Nascar race, period.
 
Just enjoy life the best you can, and do what makes you happy... you are welcome.
 
in chat i have heard a number of people talking about the nascar races and i dont really know much about it myself .......i am not familiar with driver names and all that kind of stuff.

well honestly, the other day i googled the word Nascar and now i think i am going to go to my dad's house and watch the next race on a big TV and see what i can learn from it.

i am interested in getting more into the current Nascar happenings and it the next race is Sept. 15 at 2:15 est.


who else watches the races and keeps up with it ?

I guess watch it and see if you like it. Personally i think current nascar blows. It used to be great when the bodies were real production street car sheetmetal up thru the late 1980s. Nascar now wants all the.cars exactly equal, so they are all technicolor blobs going around a racetrack. The 1960s and early 1970s was where it was great. Big inch thundering hemi V8s petty plymouths and dodges, hell any plymouth or dodge for that matter. None of these cars had power steering either. This is why they wrapped tape around the steering wheel rim to make it thicker to grasp it. Toyota in nascar what a joke. I saw one of their engines in a magazine once it had a chevy bellhousing pattern on the back, a ford type distributer up front, and wad a pushrod engine as required by the rules. Toyota never made a pushrod V8 for anything as a street car, so how does that qualify them to use it in nascar.

Back in the day a manufacturer had to make and sell a minimum of 1,000 of a particular engine , and 500 of a particular body type to the public for nascar to qualify to be able to run the engine type, or body style. This is how we ended up with the 426 street hemi, and charger daytonas, and plymouth superbirds. Chrysler had to sell this stuff to the public in order for nascar to let it be raced.

Also back in the day it was a manufacturers race. If mopar made a better engine or better bodystyle aerodynamically than the rest well so be it. Until the end of 1970 that is. Bill France Sr. said no more alternate bodystyles, conventional bodies only. The superbird was king for one year then nascar plucked its feathers.

Mopar back then always found a way to engineer around nascar rulebooks. I say nascar today sucks. Its all about the drivers, and crap like that.

I think australian supercar has more in common with old nascar where they take a street production car and turn it into a race car just like it was for nascar in the old days. Rani read about nascars golden age, and look at the pix of the cars. You missed nascar when it was great back in the day.

Just my .02
Matt
 
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