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I prefer the mid 60's el caminos. they have the cool front end and well, they're just cool.
I agree. I was looking for either a 64 or 65 El Camino or a 68-72 Nova to put this 396 in I built.
This is one of the best looking Nova’s, a 67 Chevy II.
Ignore away Rob, doesn't hurt my feelings at all. My attitude and conduct is no worse than anyone else's here, you yourself step out all the time to make fun of people that run larger diameter wheels. How is that not "think like I do or else"? You're far more guilty than I am on that account. I've said it to you before, I will say it every time you come after me on this- Don't make me quote all the BS you've said about other people's builds. You're the pot calling the kettle black on this one and there are hundreds of posts to prove it. diymirage has said far worse things about me and others right in public and no doubt worse than that in private. If he thinks that a set of wheels he doesn't like means the PO "ruined his car beyond being salvageable" he shouldn't be surprised when I point out that people that can't buy a set of wheels that fit properly themselves probably shouldn't be throwing stones. And I'm normally 100% on board with respect to our "lovely lady member". But Rob, she literally said "trying to make it into a modern abortion with wheels like that". A MODERN ABORTION. Sorry bud, but that's an ignorant comment no matter who made it. And like I said, it doesn't suit her very well or match up with her usual conduct. So yeah, I called it out and no, I don't feel bad about it and ignoring me doesn't change that at all. Doesn't square up with your comments though does it? If everyone that runs larger wheels has "ruined their car beyond salvageable" then why are you asking for my advice? If you respect my understanding then why wouldn't you assume I know enough not to "ruin" my car? I could just as easily say that anyone that can't figure out how to buy wheels that actually fit inside the wheel wells of their cars has probably ruined their car beyond salvageable, because what could they possibly know? And you'd probably take offense to that right? Because it's not accurate. Just like your comments weren't. Like I said, I normally respect your opinion and really value your presence here. But if you're going to start calling cars "modern abortions" just because you have a different opinion on the style of wheels they run then that's going to change. This isn't even a wheel thread, it's a thread trying to draw attention to another A-body that someone could put back on the road. And you're bashing it? Some of the highest quality builds on this site are "modern abortions" by that standard. There are far higher quality modified cars on here than OE restorations. I mean come, on 76orangewagon's Duster? Best build on this entire site, hands down the highest quality of ALL of them, style aside. Don't think I'd worry about the wiring on this one... And I don't care. Say ignorant stuff and I will call you out. Piss me off? Whatever. I find it far more irritating that all the members on this site making ignorant comments like yours are discouraging other people from taking up the hobby. If the only people that get into these cars are the ones that enjoy (and can afford!) OE restorations then really soon the only place you'll find these car is in museums, not out on the roads. If you go after someone because they ran a set of 17" rims so they can buy decent, SAFE tires for a daily driver then that's what happens.
That is sweet but more conventional look with the grille that goes is full width. I like how the 73+ appears to have thicker fenders and the grille doesn't go full width and the entire car looks kinda swollen around the grille like a 50s nash. The 73 up design is a very thoughtful but unconventional design of the era, I'd love to interview the person who designed it.
Agree, for me the best overall and especially nicest looking rear/tailite design for the Novas.
Ok, so I can agree that "modem abortion" is too harsh. I take it back, see the original post is edited.
I don't know why, those have never grown on me. You'd figure as much as I love the early As, I'd like the early Novas. I just don't.
All those reasons are why I DON'T like the 73 and up. They look like a beached, bloated whale.
Just imagine a 396 in a 67 Chevy II, that would be dangerous.
No more than a 67 barracuda or dart with a 383
Or a 400 in a 64 Valiant.
The big problem with those cars and big blocks is they were never designed for the big block. They never came with them. Whereas the A bodies were basically the same front suspension from early to late. The early cars were just smaller. The early Novas were like Falcons. Their front ends were weak and had trouble holding anything like a big block without some real upgrades.
I have a special place in my heart for the 383. Best friend in HS had one in his '66 charger. His sister had a 361 in her '67 charger.
I knew a chick with a Charger once. Had a really big back seat.
Usually, you refer to the female posterior, it's called the, "rear end." The back seats in those fastbacks weren't all that big, but the rear deck when you'd lay the seats down...
Now I'm glad I traded off what I had left of a 66 charger. I had a really rough shell of one with a complete interior and no driveline, with extra parts. Traded it recently for a dart slant six car. Those charger were boats. Of course to me, my valiant wagon is a boat too.
I'd throw a 70 Dart nose and Demon rear tailpanel and bumper on it. Maybe back half it. Yeah I'm dreaming again!
Those Chevy II’s with a stout 327 in them were quick little cars.
This. At least no one here has wanted to have 40 Deg of negative camber and needs to know how much bead will show if they stretch a 215/45/17 on a 10" wide rim.
Gotta say I agree with Blu on this one. Seems like 90% of the time someone asks about modern tires or posts a picture of an A-Body with a set of wheels bigger than 15", they get blasted by people for ruining their car. Yet I rarely see anyone from the "big wheel crowd" (as I recall us being labeled) doing the same. Maybe it's just my perception, but it feels pretty unbalanced and has been that way for a number of years. And if you want people to continue to join the old car hobby, might be best to start accepting that there will be some (a bunch?) of modernization going on. Last time I made it to the big show in Seattle (in Lynnwood, drawing a blank on the name), half the show was made up of modern muscle. There were something like 50 late model Challengers (I counted them) and only something like 10 A-Bodies in total and only one of them in the modified class. The fact that most of the older cars were restorations tells me that the owners were enjoying reliving their youth, which is great. But the lack of younger folk in older cars (all most all the newer cars were younger people) tells me that that people are figuring out modern cars are more fun to drive due to a more planted feel, better acceleration, increased economy and some modern amenities. And without the memories of growing up with these cars, a stock A-Body kind of has some drawbacks that can be hard to overlook. So if anyone expects a younger someone (excluding those exceptional folk like Valiant Princess) to want to drive an A-Body, best expect they will be asking how to make it feel like the Mustang their buddy has or the Challenger they sold. Truth is, I have one of both (an old and new car) and really struggle with which one I like better. The dream has been to drive Route 66 in my Duster but can't say I would choose it over the Challenger. I have my Duster riding and handling like my 2015 Challenger R/T and am really please with how well it does. Loved driving it into town yesterday afternoon and passing the yahoo who went 7+ over the speed limit to pass me on the straight and then slowed down heading into the curve where I went around him doing the same speed I went into the curve. Love how the car drives right now. At the same time, I really missed the AC of my Challenger as the sweat trickled down my rib cage. And I have memories from this car, too. It was my daily driver from about '93 to '98, so I have fond memories of some of the adventures I had in it, but that doesn't make up for hard seats and no cruise control at 65 mph. To sum it up, if you like your car original, more power to you. But either accept that there are people that are going to want to modernize their car or admit the hobby is going to die. Cars have gotten way better and without some modernization, older cars will be left to people that want to sit in the grass and talk to other people about their memories. Excluding the select few individuals like Valiant Princess who are a rare breed.
I actually agree with his point in general. That there are much more modern and better choices to get your car to handle into the 21st century. But to come on here totally bashing and insulting members because they have a different view is uncalled for. Had we been in person, I would have knocked some sense into him......if that's at all possible. That was just way wrong and so rude.
This is one of the things I see wrong with the age we live in. Unfortunately, the internet and FB has removed that personal sense we have when talking to someone face to face which makes it much harder to dialog on a topic we might be able to disagree on in an amiable fashion. As an example, had dinner with a relative of my wife's couple of days ago. I guess the individuals views on FB are 180 degrees out from ours, but when sitting down for dinner we had a very enjoyable time. It reminded me that people are more than a comment on FB and we sometimes lose that when responding to a block of text. That said, you have to agree that Blu has been on the front lines of modern tires for many years. And as such, has probably receive more than his fair share of hate that IMO has been almost all one way. Due to that, seems reasonable that he might react more strongly than might seem reasonable based on one instance. Based on a history of pointed comments, might not be unexpected. Did he overreact? Not my place to say. Just saying this didn't happen in a vacuum, there is history behind it.
Here is the only thing nice about those 73 up cars. If you grab lunch and pull into the park to eat you can use the bumper as a bench. Front if its cool outside and rear if its warm. Its like having a pickeeenic bench built right in. I believe they sell clip on cup holders for those bumpers. The cars with bumper guards are better you can lock in and not slip off. Just make sure you don't plop down early . Here is a big bumper car done right , no where to sit.
Those novas are uglier then a Edsel