Mattax
Just the facts, ma'am
It does seem like they are going out of business. Maybe just line out the text and delink.
Sources for Chrysler type wire terminals
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Kendog 170
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Mattax
Just the facts, ma'am
Sorry. Those are Packard 56 terminals. Occassionally found but generally not used by Chrysler.
Also lets not link to ebay because those links become dead quickly.
Naming and linking a vender on ebay is probably a little more permanent.
Also lets not link to ebay because those links become dead quickly.
Naming and linking a vender on ebay is probably a little more permanent.
Kendog 170
Let the boy go !
Opps! My bad. Coffee in order. lol
slantsixdan
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Packard ( --> Delphi --> Aptiv) 58-series terminals, on the other hand, are present in large number on a lot of '50s-'70s Mopars. I usually shop at Terminal Supply Co.
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Mattax
Just the facts, ma'am
The 59 Series is the 5/16" wide version of the 56 series, nominally 1/4" wide.
Drawings can be found here;
for 59 series https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors/automotive-connectors/?m=Aptiv&series=59
for 56 series https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors/automotive-connectors/?m=Aptiv&series=56
and 58 series https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors/automotive-connectors/?m=Aptiv&series=58
So far we have found the majority of 1/4" and 5/16" terminals and connectors on Chrysler A-bodies to be very similar to Packard 58 series. That was the point of this post
Maybe adding text to the photo will make that clearer.
One reason this is important is that the connector housings are not always compatible. I am not the only one who has found original style terminals do not always lock in firmly to Packard typoe connector housings. Tried to make that point in post 19.
Maybe adding text to the photo will help.
Sometimes they are interchangeable and sometimes they are not.
When they are not there will be a poor connection.
Some Packard 56 connectors were used on A-bodies as shown here.
For the headlights, a 5/16" terminal was used, but its not a Packard 59 style. They are Chrysler's style with the rolled sides.
Please continue to post your findings.
Drawings can be found here;
for 59 series https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors/automotive-connectors/?m=Aptiv&series=59
for 56 series https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors/automotive-connectors/?m=Aptiv&series=56
and 58 series https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors/automotive-connectors/?m=Aptiv&series=58
So far we have found the majority of 1/4" and 5/16" terminals and connectors on Chrysler A-bodies to be very similar to Packard 58 series. That was the point of this post
Maybe adding text to the photo will make that clearer.
One reason this is important is that the connector housings are not always compatible. I am not the only one who has found original style terminals do not always lock in firmly to Packard typoe connector housings. Tried to make that point in post 19.
Maybe adding text to the photo will help.
Sometimes they are interchangeable and sometimes they are not.
When they are not there will be a poor connection.
Some Packard 56 connectors were used on A-bodies as shown here.
For the headlights, a 5/16" terminal was used, but its not a Packard 59 style. They are Chrysler's style with the rolled sides.
Please continue to post your findings.
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slantsixdan
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Blast! I meant 58, derp.
I suspect since the final crimp prevents the terminal from pushing out the back of the insulator larger is better
I think something like this should work. (the double flat release tools)
mopowers
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Nope. The metal that the twin lock terminals are made of is super thin. I just take the same thin tool I use for female packard terminal removal and pry both sides in one and then the other. They then slide right out.
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Great to know. I've dealt with connectors like this before, I end up just have to keep applying tension after releasing one side, then release the other and it all just pops out. Makes it a lot easier if I don't have to do that though, especially since I'm basically upside down under the dash.
Here's another way to remove the round terminals from the connector.
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Once you insert the brass tube into the connector it will compress the locking tabs allowing the terminal to be released.
May take a few tries but almost always works.
These can be found in hobby shops or online.
Many of the kits don't have this particular release tool.
Search for K&S Precision #8129 or #129.
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Once you insert the brass tube into the connector it will compress the locking tabs allowing the terminal to be released.
May take a few tries but almost always works.
These can be found in hobby shops or online.
Many of the kits don't have this particular release tool.
Search for K&S Precision #8129 or #129.
Hit another snag. Anyone know of a four-pin version of the steering column connector? More holes would be ok, but I need 4 at a minimum for my project.
Been spending an hour or two hunting the Mouser catalogue...not sure what options to pick to narrow things down since there's so many...what aftermarket connectors would be able to securely hold these twin lock terminals?
mopowers
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Didn't Chevrolet use those terminals too? I bet you'd find something on ebay or a chevy parts supplier.
Maybe start a wanted add. I may even have a spare female and/or male housing from an old harness laying around.
When I recently wired up my Dart, I just used a molex connector. So, swapping to a different style like molex, Deutch, etc. is another option.
I wasn't sure about cutting off the factory terminals and replacing them with something like quick disconnects/spades. I was initially thinking of unpinning four of the terminals and sticking them into another connector, but it didn't look like molex had anything that could hold those terminals correctly. It's beginning to look more and more like I'm just gonna take the easy way and chop all those twin locks off, replacing them with spades. Especially since those twin locks aren't cheap...
mopowers
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I didn't use those terminals in Molex connector housings, I snipped off the terminals and used molex termals and housings. You could easily do the same thing with Deutsch terminals/connectors. Either one would be much cleaner than spade disconnects. Or just put up a wanted add for factor twinlock connector housings.
Oh they're not going to be freely hanging, I was going to replace the connector and terminals with this:
Pic seems to show the female terminals in the socket backwards lol. But you get the idea.
Edit: although on second thought...I might just get the molex connectors; the reviews for the above mention how the terminals wobble in the connector so it's a PITA to reconnect.
mopowers
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Well, in that case, how about using something like a delphi/aptiv terminal connector? Maybe something like what connects the trunk harness? I believe even in a 4-pin configuration.
PC power supply have a 4 pin connector THAT LOOKS similar.
Thanks guys. PC power supplies do indeed use molex connectors as well. I still remember how painful it was trying to wiggle them free...which means those'll be perfect in the vibration-heavy environment that is the automobile. Thankfully the molex site has a pretty helpful catalogue with parts numbers for me to cross reference with mouser.
Mattax
Just the facts, ma'am
A quick internet search shows that seems right.
Also that they are not as commonly stocked as the blade types.
Same set of characters
Here he says he's seen the 10 cavity connector (shell) available.
Problem with snipping the terminals is there may not be enough slack for reassembly without tension and stress on the connections.
Packard terminals weren't Chrysler. It was Delco-Packard.
Thankfully on mine there's plenty on both the column and chassis sides. Decided to go with the molex mega-fit connectors as they seem to be the only ones that have enough room to accept the pins that have two 18 awg wires crimped to one terminal. Goal is to make an intermediate harness that'll connect between the column's connector, and the body/chassis side connector, to wire in a VW hazard light switch since mine didn't come with one from the factory.
Mattax thanks so much for your research on this. A couple of places I got terminals now seem to be gone, or don't carry them.
This is redneck as hell, but if you cannot repair your OEM connectors for such as the kick panel to rear harness, in a few cases you could simply get by with individual booted (fully insulated) terminals.
This is redneck as hell, but if you cannot repair your OEM connectors for such as the kick panel to rear harness, in a few cases you could simply get by with individual booted (fully insulated) terminals.
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