aaronk785
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It's at a stalemate. Been working on other people's crap. Need to learn to say no. Thanks for asking.
What is the "perfect" street/strip package......for the average Moparian
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Singing my song there brother!
Light is right. I'm pretty much building what you've described with my 72' Scamp. I'm only at 528hp NA, but the motor was setup for nitrous.
There's no question a modern Hellcat, GT500, and ZL1 will beat me on power, but keeping it light will level the playing field.
'68cuda416
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I raced all those cars you mentioned and they were all in my rear view mirror with the package I described
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Most people you see say this don't have personal experience.
This myth has been disproved again and again, yet mostly due to per who speak with no experience, it persists.
'68cuda416
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Fair enough.......like I said I have no personal experience
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Speaking only on the track......Don't forget that the hellcat is an very overweight, fly by wire, undertractioned, over geared, miss geared disaster. They aren't anything to be intimidated by in stock trim or even on drag radials. THe GT500's... those are not something to underestimate. I haven't seen many ZL1's run. They seems more track oriented to me. The best 've seen a hellcat go is low 11's. I've seen multiple GT500's run deep into the 10's and even the high 9's.
'68cuda416
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I'm talking the standard out of the box type cars.......smoked them all on and off the track......and yes they are heavy
BS to a degree because it depends on how the big block is equipped. I’ve had a 400/727 Duster with only headers and a Holley Street Dominator as weight reduction and what he said is true BUT! I also think it is over exaggerated and the exaggerated aspect gets pushed worse and worse every time it’s spoke about.
I’ll say the same thing for the use of /6 bars & big blocks. I drove the street like that for a couple of years and I did not have a problem at all. You just have to learn the car and drive accordingly. It’s no autocross star and it was never ment to be that way, just a straight liner. S/S springs and cheapie Comp Engineering shocks and all 4 corners.
Over all by the time you treat the engine to as much aluminum as possible, it’s a great package.
Agreed. The GT500 moves. A pulley change and a few quick tuning adjustments on a laptop and they are 10 second cars from the dealership. The ZL1 is fast as well. Ironically, I've not spent much time around the Hellcats. They just aren't very prevalent in Central Oregon.
I'm shooting for a 2850lb curb weight with my Scamp. Not sure if I'll get there, but I'm trying. With an almost 1500lb weight difference between my car and modern sports car I'm hoping I can hold my own at the track. From a roll, forget about it. They'll blow me away.
'68cuda416
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From a stop on the street if your car is properly built and working you will embarrass them as well at the track when they are in stock type platform from a power standpoint.......ran them when they had slicks and or drag radials at the track and same results.......they lost.
Where in Oregon are you ? Isee Hellcats everywhere here in Boise .
Saw 2 within 15 mins in Twin Falls last week .
My brother has a 68 Firebird 400 that is set up like a FAST car and routinely beats hellcats running low 11s.
I sold a guy a new Acura NSX back in 2018 and it beat a Hellcat at the track which surprised me since it is more of a roadrace oriented car.
abdywgn
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MY perfect street/strip car was a gutted 69 Dart, 340, 4-speed with 3.23 SG 8-3/4. LD340 with 3310 Holley, no choke, electric fuel pump with -8 line,MP 484/284 cam and Comp Cams springs,retainers, Mr.Gasket hardened keepers, Hooker 5204 1-3/4" headers, 002 ans 003 SS springs with long shocks, Dart Lite torsion bars with std shocks, no sway bar.Lakewood Scattershield, 30 lb steel flywheel, Hays 3400 lb B&B pressure plate and disc,Hurst Super Shifter with 12" straight stick. 1/4 panels were one shade orange, doors were another, front fenders were painted in the driveway on the car with rattle can, deck lid was maroon and hood was flat hood in B5 blue. Steel wheels with chrome lugs nuts and 78 series tires. Used 7" X 27" JC Penny cheater slicks at the track and ran a best of 13.18 at 108. It was the perfect car for me. Drive anywhere, never worry about scratches, took it to work, Church or just out for a spin. Drove to the track and back. "Perfect" is different for everybody. I like your package and would like to "rent" it sometime to try out 
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'68cuda416
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Your car sounds cool.....I have a couple "patina" don't have to worry about a scratch or rock chip type cars and I bought them for the exact reasons you stated.MY perfect street/strip car was a gutted 69 Dart, 340, 4-speed with 3.23 SG 8-3/4. LD340 with 3310 Holley, no choke, electric fuel pump with -8 line,MP 484/284 cam and Comp Cams springs,retainers, Mr.Gasket hardened keepers, Hooker 5204 1-3/4" headers, 002 ans 003 SS springs with long shocks, Dart Lite torsion bars with std shocks, no sway bar.Lakewood Scattershield, 30 lb steel flywheel, Hays 3400 lb B&B pressure plate and disc,Hurst Super Shifter with 12" straight stick. 1/4 panels were one shade orange, doors were another, front fenders were painted in the driveway on the car with rattle can, deck lid was maroon and hood was flat hood in B5 blue. Steel wheels with chrome lugs nuts and 78 series tires. Used 7" X 27" JC Penny cheater slicks at the track and ran a best of 13.18 at 108. It was the perfect car for me. Drive anywhere, never worry about scratches, took it to work, Church or just out for a spin. Drove to the track and back. "Perfect" is different for everybody. I like your package and would like to "rent" it sometime to try out
Gotta agree with that. For me, the parameters described at the start are beyond a street driven and a 10 second car. But it is what ever the owner operator feels good with.
IMO, a low 13, high 12 street car is a great double duty ride. Just a nice push quicker than stock. EZ to do with stock displacement engines.
IMO, a low 13, high 12 street car is a great double duty ride. Just a nice push quicker than stock. EZ to do with stock displacement engines.
'68cuda416
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LOL.......oh no.......the car described in the first post ran high 10.40's @126 and high 6.60's or low 6.70' in the 1/8th.........I have slower cars and they kinda annoy me to a degree because I find them slow, lol, but to each their own, that was the jist of the thread. I stand by my opinion of that as being the "perfect" street/strip car but with that I mean local cruising, getting ice cream and or groceries, car shows and then racing on the weekends and at any point during any of that smoking 99% of any modern hot rod you come up against......I only lost once to a modern hot rod and he sprayed it at the end of the race.
Gotcha. IDK if that first post car is for me personally. But it does sound like fun.
'68cuda416
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Old age catching up to you? LOL!!!!
On some fronts, yes. LOL!
I have a couple of hot packages I’m getting ready to put together. The daily is a ‘18 - 1500 Ram - dead stock. Which is weird since I normally save my magic wrench over everything I own.
I have a couple of hot packages I’m getting ready to put together. The daily is a ‘18 - 1500 Ram - dead stock. Which is weird since I normally save my magic wrench over everything I own.
Fair enough.
Ok. I would build a stock stroke 340. Just cause everybody else would do a stroker. Fully ported closed chamber W2 heads, fully ported LD340 TA W2 intake, mild (just under .600 lift) solid roller, zero deck height short block with Molnar rods and Callies crank, windage tray, Kevco pan with external oil pump. Sling it all in Vixen and the competition better pray. Real hard.
I'm just south of Bend. Sadly, there isn't much of a car scene around here.
I think I'll be able to get into the 11's with this from what I've read on the post your 11 second combos thread.
I've got PTO, so I'll be racing on wednesday nights when there's probably only 50-100 guys at Sears Point. Saturday races suck.
My short term plans;
1991 LA360 block at machinist
0 decked, squared and mains honed, 0.030 bore for cleanup
Scat internally balanced stock stroke 360 at machinist
Forged pistons at machinst
(looks like I'll probably have to go with Trick Flows since I am doubtful that the ProMaxx cnc shockers will still be available when I will have the cash, China and their shipping issues)
(The plans for them were Comp Cams conical valve springs and tool steel retainers to reduce valve train mass, and I can't remember who does the valves, I'm gonna have to look it up again, I am thinking valves with a narrower cross section in the air stream on the intake side)
Lunati 30200740 at machinist
Hughes 5013XL lifters in my closet
Fluidampr on the idea that it will help absorb some of the shock of the impulse on each cylinder's firing. I am going for longer life of components rather than absolute MAXIMUM power. I may switch to an ATI. in my closet
I've got three intakes (rpm airgap, offy 360* low rise dual quad and eddy 180* low rise dual quad. I want to test all three of them, so when I do get this car ready for the track, I'll post up results. I suspect that I'll end up not using any of them in favor of the weiand 1995 tunnel ram.
D453 headers, 2.5" exhaust, in closet/shed
and I'll experiment with cutouts, see if that shaves any time. (at least it'll be LOUD. **** the Homeowner's Association, right in the ears with a 360 Mopar! Seriously, those guys are dicks.)
minimum tc called for is 2500 on cam spec, I will have to talk to a tc company and just get one made if they don't have an off the shelf that will do the job properly. current tc is 2400 stall, I can't remember who made it. tci?
If I were going to stay with a small block, I'd have just done a 904. I don't want to buy a driveshaft twice. I really liked @younggun2.0 's 727 build thread for his 470.
small block 727 (because long term plans call for a big block in a few years) from 727specialist.com I picked up when a guy changed direction. I think I paid $700 or so.
S60, 4.10 in the car
Yes, caltracs
QA1 front end.
Manual steering to replace power steering
no A/C
untubbed, 255 width tires are the best I can fit in the wheelwells of a 68 fastback.
I'd be surprised if I can get 550 rwhp with this combo. we'll see. at the very least, it'll stomp the **** out of my '16 charger with the 392.
replacing front clip with glass, same with rear decklid, battery in trunk, I'll have to talk to @crackedback for his battery harness, I got his headlight relay setup, PURE AWSOMENESS!
I don't know if I'll keep the inner fenders, I do want to drive the car in the winter
other **** has already been done to lighten the car. I still want to remove the window cranks, @Cope lost somewhere around 13lbs each on that if I remember right.
also, Put your big block dart on a diet
An 8 track and CB radio with the 9' whip antenna and a tennisball can just suck it. LONG AND HARD.
Oh, and a bluetooth capable radio.
Thousands of cars and a million guitars!
Screaming with power in the air.
We found the place where the decibles race...
33IMP
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It kinda depends on who is driving the hellcat/redeye/demon, and how much drag racing/hellcat tuning skill.
I have an acquaintance that is on his second one-seat demon, after having a couple hellcats. All of his hellcats were very low tens, and both his demons were/are solid nine second drivers. He drove his Demon 300 miles to mopars/musclecars at the strip, ran nines at altitude in shitty air, and drove it home.
There were probably twenty or more nine second hellcats or redeyes at mats.
I have seen a total of 1 (one) fast ZL1, and it had the blower replaced by twin turbos, not exactly showroom stock.
A Fox body Mustang.
'73 Gremlin with a 304. It ATE fox bodies and shat barbed wire all day long.
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